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    Posted: 25 Jun 2011 at 02:47
Please show us yours more fascist military songs. Those that make the blood boil, and that almost hurry you to pick a gun and go to kill and die for yours country. Wink

Here are some of ours Chileans military songs more beloved. Boy, I feel super-Chilean when I hear them. Viva Chile mierda!!!

Go ahead, show us yours.










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Those are great songs. I quite like martial music.
I always think that patriotic songs should reflect that countries culture. Usually when other countries try to copy European style music it just doesn't work.
 
I don't think Australia has any music like that. Certainly none that I know of or have ever heard. There are songs that make your blood boil though, but they concern something far more serious than war:
 
 
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Isn't it a great song Omar? Love it!Thumbs Up
 
Was reading Peter Fitzsimon's Kokoda last night. Apparently the Victorian Diggers (Australian soldiers) fighting the Japanese in Papua, shouted "Up There, Cazaly!" as a battle cry! This pre-dates the song. 
For non-Australians Roy Cazaly was a Australian Rules Footballer who played in the 1920's who was famous for his high marks and ruck work. The fans used to cry "Up There, Cazaly!" when he went for a mark and the cry stuck.
 
Song's about the Australian military tend to be down bet and depressing.  ("The Band Played Waltzing Matilida" and Red Gum's "I was only nineteen, (a walk in the light green.")


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Please show us yours more fascist military songs. Those that make the blood boil, and that almost hurry you to pick a gun and go to kill and die for yours country. Wink


Pinguin, I would rather call those Patriotic songs, not fascist. Fascist would maybe be songs that hail the army or that express negativity against others or that express the idea you are the most superior of all while the other nations suck.

I guess there is a line there...
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Here in Hungary this kind of patriotic rock songs has a long history, and are very popular.
Most of them motivated by the Trianon peace treaty (1920) where 2/3 of hungary was given to its neighbouring countries, most of these songs claim back the historical lands, so some of the songs are quite slow and sad, some of them are harsh and fast. Id rather call them patriotic instead of fascist.
 
some of thes most popular ones :
 (Kárpátia :  I born to be hungarian)
 
 (Hunnia : Transylvanian march)
 
 (Egészséges fejbőr : We swear)
 
 (Romantikus erőszak : 100% Magyar)
 
 


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As far as the British Isles are concerned anyway, the marching songs actually sung by the troops are notably non-militaristic and even anti-militaristic. Bless 'em All, Long Way to Tipperary, White Cliffs of Dover, Kiss Me Goodnight Sergeant Major and Mademoiselle from Armentieres aren't exactly full of patriotic fervour.  It isn't just a modern phenomenon - The World Turned Upside Down played the same role in the 18th century, and The Girl I Left Behind Me has been a favourite for centuries.
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Having lost relatives in the Holocaust i find fascist and militarist songs disturbing. Songs with the innocent intentions of uniting the people (Deutschland uber alles) have become associated with oppression and world conquest
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Sorry, I do not buy the tainting of patriotism as a manifestation of fascism and all one can say about the historical manifestations of the latter is that it exploited a far older sense of community for its own ends. Is what the Penguin is saying any more valid than a condemnation of Wagner because a certain Hitler was fascinated by his music?
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I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?
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Patriotism is often used by fascists to gain popular support. Take this song, for example. At first it seems to celebrate the beauty of nature, but listen closely and you can hear the Nazis' plans for world domination: "The morning will come when the world is mine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5bnVoZK4Q
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Irish 'struggle' songs tend to have a lively beat, and tend to revolve around a brave young man with a beautiful girlfriend who is cruelly and murderously treated by subhuman British monsters.

Then there are others which simply reiterate 'UP THE 'RA!' every few seconds.
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I'm not that familiar with Irish history but i think there's a song that compares the Tans to the Germans
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Originally posted by Nick1986 Nick1986 wrote:

Patriotism is often used by fascists to gain popular support. Take this song, for example. At first it seems to celebrate the beauty of nature, but listen closely and you can hear the Nazis' plans for world domination: "The morning will come when the world is mine"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs5bnVoZK4Q
 
But it wasn't used by the Nazis. It wasn't written until the mid-sixties when Fred Ebbs wrote it for Cabaret. It satirises the Nazi movement rather than lauding it.
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Irish 'struggle' songs tend to have a lively beat, and tend to revolve around a brave young man with a beautiful girlfriend who is cruelly and murderously treated by subhuman British monsters.
And then there are the others that exaggerate the situation  Smile
 
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I'm trying to recollect some typical patriotic Swedish songs, but I'm not succeeding.  The Royal Anthem is, well, a royalist rather than patriotic song and the national anthem isn't very patriotic, it's more of a homage. 



Closest would be military marches I guess. Youtubing I found some examples:


This was a funny version... same as above, but with a twist :)


I don't think we have anything that could be classified as positively patriotic though - and if we do, it's certainly not sung anymore.


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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?


I lived under the military dictatorship of Pinochet. For me, there is no difference between "National security", "fascism", "nazism" or "patriotism". If you go to the extreme, all of them are form of militarism, and love of guns.

In the case of our "patriotic" songs, I love them. Having lunatic neighbours like the Argentinean, Peruvian and Bolivians, our country has survived as a different entity only on the will of its people and army. That's why I love the "song of Yungay" ... that talks about our military victories against our enemies (I mean, neighbours). But those songs came from a pre-Pinochet era, when every single Chilean was a soldier, as it should be.


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Pinguin, I would rather call those Patriotic songs, not fascist. Fascist would maybe be songs that hail the army or that express negativity against others or that express the idea you are the most superior of all while the other nations suck.

I guess there is a line there...


Well, the Chilean people traditionally felt part of the army, and really considered that our neighbours suck Confused... That's the way we see it. And you guys make me believe our national identity is a sort of a curiousity at international level these days. Chileans feel surrounded by lunatics, something like the Israeli army in the Middle East. And, in fact, our country keeps ready to strike continuosly, independiente of the government on power.
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By the way, this is our navy's military march, a beautiful song that talks about the life of a sailor in a navy.




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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

---Is what the Penguin is saying any more valid than a condemnation of Wagner because a certain Hitler was fascinated by his music?


Sorry doc, but Wagner was a proto-Nazi, in the same way Nietzche was another kind of fanatic. It is not coincidence that the German troops carried the "Thus spoke Zaratustra" in theis backpacks, and that German generals listened to every representation of Wagner's operas they could.
I wonder if the mystic of Nazism would have ever developed without Wagner, Nietzche, Darwin and Spencer.


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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

I don' think this was Pinguin's intent. Perhaps he could take out any reference to "fascist" and replace it with "Patriotic" in order to more accurately reflect his point?


I lived under the military dictatorship of Pinochet. For me, there is no difference between "National security", "fascism", "nazism" or "patriotism". If you go to the extreme, all of them are form of militarism, and love of guns.


Fascism and patriotism, i think, are very distinctly different  from one another. The former plays on any recognizable fears while the latter simply promotes love of country. Though i can understand how easy it is for others in confusing the two. In a way, what you seem to be saying is that you and your country are fascist & promote fascism more so than just the simple love of your country. So in essence, nothing much has been learned form the Pinochet years and the same process is there, set up to repeat itself at some future point in time, would that be correct assessment?

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In the case of our "patriotic" songs, I love them. Having lunatic neighbours like the Argentinean, Peruvian and Bolivians, our country has survived as a different entity only on the will of its people and army. That's why I love the "song of Yungay" ... that talks about our military victories against our enemies (I mean, neighbours). But those songs came from a pre-Pinochet era, when every single Chilean was a soldier, as it should be.


I really don't mean to sound condescending, but what is it with the attitudes in South America? Is dialogue with other neighboring nationalities really that hard? Are compromises really that impossible? Do Chileans always have to have one finger on the trigger when dealing with the feared outsiders? On second thought, i am starting too think my assessment from above may be more regretfully correct than i had previously thought, unfortunately.
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In the case of my country, we try to get along well with our neighbours, but it is not easy. Remember that in the 70s we almost went to war against Peru, and in 1978 we had at the edge of a war against Argentina.
Today we have problems with Peru once again, with the flood of immigrants we receive from there, with the artificial conflict they created with the sea limits, and now with the election of the militaristic Ollanta Humala. We also have conflicts with Bolivia, a country that receive a large number of the cars stolen in Chile and that ship us drugs by the ton.
With Argentina things go fine now, but perhaps the only reason is that Chile has now a better air force than them.

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Definitely not fascist, I have to object to the association made by Pinguin.

Anyway. This has to be the best.  Never fails to raise the hackles when the drums kick in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSH0eRKq1lE

This one reminds me of my dad:

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My favourite peshmerga song:

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Yes. Beautiful Scotish music!!!
You won't believe me, but it also emotiones me! It make my hair get straight! And only by the music itself, given I have no idea about the cultural background of that beautiful pipe music..


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Bagpipes originate in the middle east and were adopted in Scotland and Ireland only a few centuries ago, which isn't long given how old the instrument actually is.
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More than a few centuries. In the Middle Ages there were bagpipes in several places in Europe, as the illustrations that remains show. Celts had bagpipes by the Roman times, at least. You can find bagpipes among the descendents of Celts, like the Irish, Scots and Gallicians.
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The Bretons also have bagpipes. A long time ago i saw a display at a castle in northern France. Some of the pipers even wore kilts
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I'm still interested on the difference between 'patriotic' songs and the songs soldiers actually sing.
 
The mind somewhat boggles at the idea that guardsmen would actially voluntariy sing 'Some talk of Alexander, and some of Hercules, of Hector and Lysander, and such great names as these', whereas the British army at least has happily sung 'Bless all the sergeants and WO1s, bless all the corporals and their ---ing sons, Cos we're saying goodby to them all..."
 
And it's worth remembering that the song most sung by both sides in ww2, at least in the West, was the same, whether it was set undeneath the lamplight, by the barrack gate,. or vor der Kaserne, vor dem grosse Tor.
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Isn't it obvious? Patriotic songs are for inspiring the general public whereas soldier's songs are sung by soldiers and can take any tone or theme to ease their hardship.
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Certainly. I opened this thread to talk about military tunes that have the purpose of prepare people to fight, rather than songs that talks about the beauty of our countries.

It is known music can encourage fighting, and that was the type of songs I wanted to see here.


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