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    Posted: 30 Oct 2009 at 12:21
Hello, just wonder if you have some very large or wild native breed of dog in your place.
 
In Sweden the largest or wildest dogs today are mostly imported in modern time. But up to the beginning of the 20 th century we had a very big and tough dog, designed to protect cattle and sheep against wolves and bears. The name of the dog was Dalbohunden (the Dalbo dog), and it was mostly localized to southwestern Sweden. Unfortunately changes in agricultural habits, diseases and the near extinction of wolves and bears (those animals are on their way to partially recover today) made the dog disappear.
 
Today there is only some photos, a skin and mentionings in literature left of this dog.
The ancestors of the dog is belived to descend from Molosser or Mastiff dogs imported from the British isles, and central  and Eastern Europe, to Norway, Sweden and Denmark by the Vikings  (Norway and Denmark had rather similar breeds of dogs).
 
Rare picture of the Dalbo dog.
 


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The similar breed of dog they had in Norway was called Norsk Dogge (Norsedogge) and in Denmark they still have a related hound called Broholmer.
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As you can see the Broholmer is also a quite impressing dog:


Pic from: http://www.inseparabile.com/cani/Broholmer.jpg
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Our biggest and wildest dog by far (and only) - the Dingo.


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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

Our biggest and wildest dog by far (and only) - the Dingo.





Very nice photo! Dingon is for sure an interesting breed with an interesting history.
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Talking about the dingo (and of course also about the father of all dogs, the wolf) it is strange to think about that many of the properities that people value so much in todays dogs they really loathe when it comes to dingos or wolves. Among those abilities is the ability to hunt, the cooperation in hunting, the adaptibility and ability to learn and the high intelligence (even more apparent in dingos and wolves than in domestic dogs).
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This one,



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In the UK we have a one of a kind breede called Mandelson. In Iran there is one called Ahmadinejad whom, although small in stature makes up for this disadvantage in facade.
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the sheepdogs of Turkey and the Caucasus along with Tibet's mastiff shout rate a mention
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That would be the Kangal.

 Wiki:  The breed is often referred to as a sheep dog, but it does not defend its herd, it charges at its opposition. Instead, it is developed to live with the flock and act as a livestock guardian dog, fending off wolves, bears and jackals.The Sivas Kangal Dog's protectiveness and gentleness with small children and animals has led to its growing popularity as a guardian for families as well, as it watches members of its flock with extreme devotion.


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Originally posted by Leonidas Leonidas wrote:

the sheepdogs of Turkey and the Caucasus along with Tibet's mastiff shout rate a mention
 
The Tibetan Mastiff is today a very expensive dog to buy. Recently a Chinese woman bought one of these dogs for the sum of 582 000 dollars:
 
 
 


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Historically speaking, different kinds of ferocious dogs have been used in warfare and also for fighting and similar through the ages. One can for example mention Rome where dogs were often used for such purposes.

In their conquest of the Caribbean and other parts of America the Spaniards also used dogs in combat, as trackers and as instruments of torture and execution.
 
About the use of dogs in the context of the conquest of the Americas one can read the book Dogs of the Conquest, by John Grier Varner and Jeanette Johnson Varner.
 
 
 
 
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Here we go again...not a topic comes up that Carcharadon can not twist for the sake of his agiprop. Here's a true picture of the Spanish mastiff:
 
Las Meninas, painted by Diego Velaquaz. Use a cursor to see who is who.
 
There's the vicious animal and instrument of torture dozing at the feet of Infanta Margarita!
 
The Spanish mastin was used by the military long before anyone had heard of Cortez much less the Americas. We will not mention that the Epirotes and the Macedonians employed dogs in military combat and that such was definitely no novelty.
 
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Yes, Spaniards used those vicuous dogs as part of theirs genocide.
In the Americas, vicious dogs didn't exist. As many other vices, these came from Europe.


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In Greece this is the most common native dog. The Molossus...

Favourite dog of the shepherds and nomads. It is not an aggressive dog, but it will not hesitate to deal with wolves in order to protect its sheeps & goats. You will often see them having a barbed harness around their neck that protects them from injuries against wolves.




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..."'ere the cock crows twice" as for vicious dogs snapping at one's heels beware those treacherous chihuahas. No wonder the Amerinds plumped them up and ate them!
 
As for "vices" having European origins ROTFLMAO!


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It is written in the Chilam Balam:

they taught fear

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Yes, Europeans brought many vices.
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It's not the Europeans' fault the Native Americans were a bunch of sissies. There, I said it.
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Sissies? Many Euros payed badly theirs insolence.
Well, this is the way European acted in the Americas, and how they used theirs dogs.




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The above drawing is sheer propaganda produced for what later would become The Black Legend and if anyone is actually unaware of that fact then please get back to a reputable classroom. Besides, when you get right down to it the various named canines in this thread (save the Dingo and the Chihuaha) all descend from the Molossus of Ancient Greece.
 
But hey, the Pinguin has made self-embarrasment a high Art form...
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I see. You preffer to accept the Rossy legend, which is quite popular in the peninsulae.
The Tainos were exterminated by the Spaniards, anyways
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Well these Taino's did much the same thing to the earlier inhabitants of the Antilles, and then there are those pesky Caribs who didn't take to Tainos either. Save all that vulgarity for your open-air rallies among the indigentes of Santiago, Pinguin. On AE it is both tired and old...besides you contradict yourself each and every time you confront Carcharadon and his vision of the "peoples", Xingu or otherwise.

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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Sissies? Many Euros payed badly theirs insolence.
Well, this is the way European acted in the Americas, and how they used theirs dogs.


 
Maybe they ran out of dog food.
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Originally posted by Reginmund Reginmund wrote:

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Maybe they ran out of dog food.


Exacly.
Those European criminals didn't have a conscience. They behaved worst than Nazis. Let's hope those brutes are still burning in hell. Angry
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well these Taino's did much the same thing to the earlier inhabitants of the Antilles,...

Mal de muchos, consuelo de tontos.

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Well take it to heart because obviously you do not comprehend the implications of that maxim with respect to your postings: the evil of the many is the solace of the idiot--now who was talking about evil?
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So, you claim Las Casas lied?
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Originally posted by Knights Knights wrote:

Our biggest and wildest dog by far (and only) - the Dingo.


Once upon a time I did a story on the animal hospital at London Zoo, and the photographer with me fell in love with a family of dingo puppies (whose mother was sick - hence the hospital). Unfortunately for him the feeling was reciprocated and he couldn't stop them from climbing over him and licking his lenses. 
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I have to put in a word for the Old English Sheepdog, which is not as big as it looks.
But the Welsh in me has to point out that in Wales one doesn't go for size and wildness but for smarts:
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