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    Posted: 17 Oct 2009 at 11:30
The idea of this thread is to make a timeline showing the strongest Nation/Empire in the world at each given time in history.

Here are my initial thoughts...

First bear in mind I am quite hazy on exact dates (hopefully others can offer more precise dating when they make their own timeline).

Second, my list only covers the Middle-East and Europe. For me the big unknown is China, some might argue that China was stronger than all of these - at least up until the 19th century.

Empire of Sargon/Agade 2334 - 2193BC
 
Ur 2112 - 2004BC
 
Assyrian Empire 1813 - 1781 BC
 
Old Babylonian Empire 1760s - 1595?
Hittites (king Mursilis) 1595 - 1590
 
Power fluctuations between Hittite, Assyrian, Egyptian and Kassite Empires circa 1400-1100, and briefly the 'Sea Peoples' 1200 - 1180 BC.
 
Assyrian Empire 934-612BC
 
New Babylonian Empire 612 BC - 550 BC
 
Persian Empire 550 BC - 334 BC
 
Empire of Alexander 334 BC - 324 BC
Carthage ??-??
 
Roman Empire ??-??(nearly 800 years, up until it was divided)
 
East-Roman Empire ??-??(following the split)
Atilla & the Hun Empire ??-??(a few years)
 
Islamic Empires ??-??
Mongol Empire ??-??
 
Ottomans c15th
Habsburg Spain (Charles V and Philip II c16th)
 
France 1600-1812
Britain 1812-1871
 
Britain and Germany 1871-1916
 
USA 1916 to present day.

As I said this list is fairly rough. Most importantly it excludes China. The issue being how would China of the time compare vs Carthage, Rome, Spain, France etc...


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It is hard to view China as one big monolith since China has varied in size, strenght and power during the milennia. Sometimes there were no cohesive entity that we could call China but instead different smaller entities that not seldom fought each other.

But strong periods were for example the Han dynasty, Tang, Song (at least in the beginning) and Ming (maybe China was as mightiest in the time of Zheng He when it could reach out and let its power and influence be known even on the other side of the Indian Ocean).
Also in the earlier stages of Qing China was still a force to be reckoned on.

And, of course, today China is truly an emerging power on a global scale.


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I really don't see the merit of Attila the Hun in your list, he was one man and his empire died with him.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I really don't see the merit of Attila the Hun in your list, he was one man and his empire died with him.


I totally agree with this.
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In an African and Middle East context we also have Egypt that was as it strongest in time of the New Kingdom when it occupied an area from Nubia in the south to the Levant in the north.

The Nubians created also an empire when they conquered Egypt in the 8th century BC. Actually the 25th dynasty, as the Nubian rule in Egypt is called, ruled over the biggest Nile valley empire of all times from todays Khartoum to the Nile delta. To that one can also add a precense in Sinai and even nothward.

Another African Empire was the Mali Empire in the 13th and 14th centuries which ruled over a large area in what is today Mali, Senegal, Gambia, Niger, Guinea and Mauretania.


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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I really don't see the merit of Attila the Hun in your list, he was one man and his empire died with him.


I totally agree with this.


Me too. But then, that leaves Alexander out too.
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Originally posted by Illirac Illirac wrote:

Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

I really don't see the merit of Attila the Hun in your list, he was one man and his empire died with him.


I totally agree with this.


Me too. But then, that leaves Alexander out too.


The Diadochi might not have had everything Alexander had, but the Seleucids had more than 50% of it shortly after. Plus the Antigonids and Ptolemies created sophisticated and powerful empires in their own right. Attila's empire, by contrast, dissolved utterly upon his death.
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Another one that I find interesting is France I really don't know when they were a superpower like exact time dates. I would have said that from 1600 to 1914 it was both Britain, France, and Germany off and on with Germany making the list in the late 1800's. since 1600, Britain and France were kinda neck and neck where a couple decades the Brits would be dominate and then a couple decades it would be the French.

As for Atilla's time period I would say that the Eastern Roman Empire would be the one.

Where is the Egyptian empire??

As for the American empire I would say that that it began in 1945 with the end of the British Empire as being the strongest, but 1918 sounds better for Britain cause WW1 really messed old England up.

one question, was there ever a time where Russia was the strongest Empire?
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Quote I really don't see the merit of Attila the Hun in your list, he was one man and his empire died with him.
 
For the brief few years while Atilla ruled the Hun Empire was the strongest power in Europe. They terrorized the Byzantines who paid them to go away. They brought the Western Empire to its knees, the west romans only defeated them by making an alliance with the Visigoths. The empire may have fallen apart after Atilla's death but at that one given moment in time it was in my view the strongest power. The same goes for the Empire of Alexander.
 
Quote Another one that I find interesting is France I really don't know when they were a superpower like exact time dates. I would have said that from 1600 to 1914 it was both Britain, France, and Germany off and on with Germany making the list in the late 1800's. since 1600, Britain and France were kinda neck and neck where a couple decades the Brits would be dominate and then a couple decades it would be the French.
 
France had its up and downs but usually it could only be beaten when several other nations combined against it. Britain was not especially strident from 1600-1700, there were the civil wars and then the defeats to the Dutch. But I don't really know the 18th century, so I concede that in the 1700s there may have been times Britain was stronger. But after the defeats from 1812-15 France was always playing catch-up to Britain which had a bigger World Empire.
 
Germany only really becomes a contender after 1871. From 1871 to 1914 you could make a case that Germany was stronger than Britain. Germany was very strong in Europe. But Britain ruled the sea could project its power around the world. 1871-1914 is debatable.
 
Quote Where is the Egyptian empire??
My list is the strongest empire at each moment in history. Tell me a time-period when Egypt was stronger than the next strongest Middle-Eastern Empire of the time... be it Assyria, Hittite Empire or Babylonian Empire. I don't think Egypt ever expanded much beyond Israel.
Quote one question, was there ever a time where Russia was the strongest Empire?
Possibly, after 1815 it may have been quite close to Britain. All subjective of course. :)
 
 
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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

My list is the strongest empire at each moment in history. Tell me a time-period when Egypt was stronger than the next strongest Middle-Eastern Empire of the time... be it Assyria, Hittite Empire or Babylonian Empire. I don't think Egypt ever expanded much beyond Israel.


At least Egypt during the reign of Ramses II was equal in strenght to the Hettite Empire as shown in the battle of Kadesh.
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I have amended my list, filled in some of the missing bits of the early ancient period. Including Egypt and the Hittites who I missed out before. I also added dates for this earlier period. But again some of my dating is still rough.
 
 
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Also, I invite you to post your own timelines...  :)

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I would place the transfer of dominance between Britain and America a little later, in fact it could justifiably be placed at 1914.
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Rome fell circa 650 by the way, and the Byzantine Empire in 1470 something (I think). You could also make a pretty strong argument for Chinese and Indian empire dominating most of it until around 1600.
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Rome fell in 476 and Byzantium in 1453.
 
However the end of Roman power and dominance was really around 640/650 when they lost the majority of their territory to the Arab invasions.
 
What your missing here is geographic distinctions. In 1600, no-one in Eastern Europe/Middle East could rival the Ottomans, no-one in America could rival Spain, no-one in India could rival the Mughals, no-one could rival Bornu in the Sahel, and well, the Qing were rivalling the Ming in China.


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Originally posted by Craze_b0i Craze_b0i wrote:

The idea of this thread is to make a timeline showing the strongest Nation/Empire in the world at each given time in history.

Here are my initial thoughts...

First bear in mind I am quite hazy on exact dates (hopefully others can offer more precise dating when they make their own timeline).

Second, my list only covers the Middle-East and Europe. For me the big unknown is China, some might argue that China was stronger than all of these - at least up until the 19th century.
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As I said this list is fairly rough. Most importantly it excludes China. The issue being how would China of the time compare vs Carthage, Rome, Spain, France etc...


You forgot the Aztec and Inca Empires. The Inca empire, in particular, was half the size of the Roman Empire.

Now, the largest empire with continuous lands has been the Mongol Empire.


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Measuring the Inca and Aztec empire is difficult to do because of a lack of evidence and interaction with other powers. The Mongols should definitely be included; however it is difficult, until relatively recently to compare empires on a global level, as has been said.
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Why? They were the strongest in the New World, and should be considered in the equation, given the fact the world was divided in two disconnected regions at that time, and the Americas are almost 40% of the Earth land surface.

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I'm not saying they weren't powerful, or that they shouldn't be included, just that with the exception of their destruction at the hands of the Spanish and the Portuguese, they did not interact with the powers in the other half of the world. My point was that including them would necessitate a more complicated chart. As you say there are two disconnected regions; it would be necessary to deal with them separately until 1492; also while they may be roughly equal in terms of land surface, from the evidence available I believe that there was a significant population disparity. As I said, I'm not saying discount them, just that including them requires some careful consideration.

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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Rome fell in 476 and Byzantium in 1453.
 
However the end of Roman power and dominance was really around 640/650 when they lost the majority of their territory to the Arab invasions.
 
Agreed, but there was a brief period where they reclaimed their dominance under Manuel Comnenus.
 
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The problem here is that no one has formulated a working definition for "empire", and even more curious is the application of the term absent the essentials of cohesive administration that could enable institutional continuity.
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Do you have a definition that might be appropriate?
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In re:  "As for the American empire I would say that that it began in 1945..."

The United States has never been a true empire, though there was a short period of neo-Empire from 1898 until 1941 in the Pacific. Their Caribbean 'empire' was undermined by making all Puerto Ricans U.S. citizens in 1917, and even their rule over the Philippines was limited by their creation of the Philippine Commonwealth and a guarantee of eventual independence.

Empires don't ask their component entities what they want, they dictate it. Thus the U.S. was, and is, a hegemon. While the largely Anglophile element of the U.S. electorate may have been enamored with the idea of 'Empire" in the late 19th Century, other segments of the U.S. electorate decidedly were not.

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Of course the United States is an Empire. Although it may be unintentional, the United States will need to come to grips with the amount of power it truly has. The institutions of the orginal America have been overriden, and the country which based itself in opposition to Imperialism, has itself became one.
 
The United States does not ask what other countries want, they act according to American interests, as other nations act upon theirs. Having direct control over a state does not make it any more of an Empire than countries that openly state a heirarchial status.
 


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Empires need a singular authority beyond which there is no redress and where this singular authority exercises absolute or supreme personal power. Imperium (or the power to command) may be a principle rooted to Roman jursiprudence and military command but to employ "empire" as a convenient label divorced entirely from all internal roots of understanding is an artifice that usually is little more than a label permitting rhetorical excess.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Empires need a singular authority beyond which there is no redress and where this singular authority exercises absolute or supreme personal power. Imperium (or the power to command) may be a principle rooted to Roman jursiprudence and military command but to employ "empire" as a convenient label divorced entirely from all internal roots of understanding is an artifice that usually is little more than a label permitting rhetorical excess.
 
I don't think you'll find that many of the entities commonly, and historically, referred to as empires fit that definition.
 
As to the USA, it would be a fair argument to say that just its mainland constitutes a land empire.
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You ain't got nothing if you ain't got an emperor, if I am permitted a little play with Fats Waller lyrics. Moreover, the willy-nilly application of the term "empire" has essentially made its usage either silly or devious. You can assert that there was such an entity as the "Persian Empire" but you would be hard put to fashion a "Macedonian Empire" outside the context of the disintegration of the former.  And then any discussion of the riverine cultures in the Near East as "empires" would necessitate that such terminology is equally valid for the Mexica and Tehuantinsuyo. The United States is not an empire because it is a cogent cultural whole. It is not composed of diverse societies tributary to a center and kept in subjection by the deployment of military force with ultimate political decisions a function of a singular personality. In many ways, "empire" is an eurocentrism with scant foundation on historical criteria and little more than a label of convenience or worse, a tool for political skullduggery. Given that even a dictionary will underscore that the term is one permitting a great degree of antics with semantics (e.g. the corporate empire of Nestle), its usage usually obscures more than it reveals and is also highly convenient for those who would rather generalize than actually inquire into the subject of study.
 
 
Now you might find such a perspective strange in a forum utilizing the title All Empires but keep in mind that the hook is not the fish.

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Cultural whole: no comment. I think you may find that most of your refutations revolve around your definition of empire; which I'm not sure I agree with.
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Agustin Iturbide created an "empire" even named it and made himself its emperor, but I doubt there are people around speaking of the Mexican Empire and discussing it seriously. Dom Joao VI "made" Brazil a kingdom and his son Pedro I declared it an "empire" but all was little more than exercises in nomenclature over an amorphous territory. Are we now to classify Brazil as an "empire"? I do not think so and for the very reason the United States of America is not an empire. Institutional permanence and not evanescent nomenclature sets actual definition. hence from 1565 to 1917 one may properly speak of the Russian Empire, and in a sense continue it into the middle 1950s despite the blather about federated republics, yet consequently the notion of an "imperial ethos" becomes more than problematic.
 
 


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Jean Bekel Bokassa was not only Emperor of Central Africa, but an apostle to boot. What kind of empire did he rule over?

Surely the idea of 'empire' must include a number of different nationalities/peoples subect to the rule of one of them? When the members of the former British Empire became autonomous or independent the whole institution was therefore renamed the British Commonwealth. At more or less the same time the French Empire became the Union Française. Similarly the Russian Empire became the Soviet Union (and very shortly had a non-Russian ruler).


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