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Why are we so soft on casualties?

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    Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 22:32
Last time I checked being a soldier means you put your life on the line in conflict defending your country (or attacking other people's as the case is).  Tragic though any premature loss of life is, sudden death is a very real possibility which men accept when they join-up especially in a professional army as the British one is.  So why, when we lose 6 soldiers in a go is it such a huge deal with the same media who cheerleads conflict? 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Constantine XI Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 22:50
People dying horribly sells print and advertising time. So does outrage over irresponsible teenagers, plastic looking celebs, and a range of other misc issues.

No one is shocked by soldiers dying, but they do find it interesting.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 23:07
Soldiers on duty are an abstract mechanism of war, off-duty (or dead) they regain their humanity, so to speak. The cheerled conflict is framed in terms of moral duty on the part of the soldiers (regardless of the morality of the war itself) so when soldiers die it reinforces their 'sacrifice' and they are duly treated as fallen heroes. People can reconcile this position easily with a general anti-war stance. 

The media feeds into both stories easily simply because both are saleable. I would also imagine that some form of precedent in reporting deaths has been established that the media is now bound in keeping. It's not like 400 dead soldiers is anything extraordinary in the grand scale of things.







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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Buckskins Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Mar 2012 at 23:23
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Last time I checked being a soldier means you put your life on the line in conflict defending your country (or attacking other people's as the case is).  Tragic though any premature loss of life is, sudden death is a very real possibility which men accept when they join-up especially in a professional army as the British one is.  So why, when we lose 6 soldiers in a go is it such a huge deal with the same media who cheerleads conflict? 

Television and movies. It's one thing to read about it, or hear about it. It's quite another to see it. 
Vietnam was brought live into American living rooms. It in part, turned the population against the war. Now the military keeps control of the journalists that accompany our soldiers in a combat zone. The value of the soldier varies from country to country. I have sorrow if a cat or any other animal is run over by a truck or car. Walk in a combat soldiers boots and experience what they do. It may give you a very different outlook. Even one soldier that has given his life for us should be mourned by the nation.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fusong Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 01:34
  it is terrible that western governments get involved in these un endable small time tiny proxy wars- it makes me think of the Roman Frontiers


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 02:06
Wasn't it Geraldo Rivera (?)  (Of all the journalist in the world) who put it best: If it bleeds, it leads.
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People are soft only when the war is unpopular. Hardly anyone protested the Falklands and Iraq never materialised into another Vietnam, indeed there was wide cross party support to it in the US.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 13:23
I think al Jassas has his finger on it.
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote fusong Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 16:15
Originally posted by gcle2003 gcle2003 wrote:

I think al Jassas has his finger on it.
 
It's not the death, it's the useless death, the death in vain.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Zagros Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Mar 2012 at 17:05
I think AJ is spot on, but I like Dolphin's point too.
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Mar 2012 at 07:19
AJ is possibly right, but I'm going to go with Constantine.
 
I feel that the media is trying to start fight over the issue. They are trying to elicit emotion and contraversy above and beyond what is expected, decent and reasonable.
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But I find that the media's hype is actually reflected in most people's attitude in this case.
"There was glory in pissing, Corabb decided as he watched the stream curve out and make that familiar but unique sound as it hit the ground." So true.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

But I find that the media's hype is actually reflected in most people's attitude in this case.
Can't say about the attitude in Britain, but the media here probably have a bigger cry that the dead soliders family.
 
Certainly in natural disasters, the journalists try to beat up a tale of human tragedy which simply does not exist on the ground. Disasters I find are far worse on TV than they are in real life.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrewTheDude Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Jun 2012 at 01:15
Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

But I find that the media's hype is actually reflected in most people's attitude in this case.

A lot of the time, the media is the one that created the hype to begin with. I'm sure there's many things that would have been ignored if the media didn't bring attention to it.

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

Even one soldier that has given his life for us should be mourned by the nation.

Doesn't that seem a bit... arbitrary? Call me unsympathetic, but I find it pointless and hard to mourn over a soldier I've never knew in my life and potentially fights for a pretty stupid cause to begin with. After all, from the stories I've heard from soldiers, not all soldiers are exactly pure angels sent from heaven... I mean, the guy I got stories from knew someone who friggin TORTURED Somalian's during his time there. Should I feel sympathy for such a person?
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