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Which is the oldest religion in the world?

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When you say "organized," do you mean "intentionally" organized, consisting of a structure that believers buy into?  Or do you also include structure that is unconscious or sub conscious?  I tend to think that religions have a great deal of inertia, because most of them, like an iceberg, is below the surface.  

I think personal religion is something people in the West understand quite well.  I tend to think it is a response to division of Church and State.  Kind of a, 'I have these beliefs, but I don't expect anyone else to have them.'  While I subscribe to such a view, I don't know how it will suit Christianity in the long run, and I don't think it suits Islam at all.  For atheists and humanists who have a problem with Christianity, I think it might be choice of evils.  The nearer evil (for them) is the one they go after with vehemence, little do they realize the are undermining the lesser evil that is in the way of the greater evil.  Christianity has some understanding of separation of church and state (religion and government), is open to a great deal of the scientific endeavor and to wealth producing capitalism.  Islam, not so much.
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'Organised' means exactly that - a social or political structure controlling religion to any lesser or greater degree, even if merely one charismatic leader calling the shots.
 
Personal religion is far from well understood in the west. Adherence to group worship has the comfort of safety in numbers and a sense of 'doing one's duty' in society. Many adherents are inactive as worshippers, not because of personal beliefs or convictions, but the lack of them, a sense of 'I display the label but can't be bothered to turn up'. Alternative personal religions exist outside of this factional or tribal aspect of human society and anyone who truly walks that sort of path will discover that society doesn't have a lot of patience for those who go it alone, something that has plagued my life since a child but personally I cannot accept that anyone has the right to dictate my beliefs or religious conduct - That's something I maintain despite all the pressure and action society uses to make me conform. That is after all the point. Society likes conformity with ideals or stereotypes. If you truly want to by non-conformal, there is a price to pay for that, and most of us would rather live under the umbrella of a faction they don't quite believe in than risk society's ire.
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