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    Posted: 29 Jun 2011 at 23:32
Scythian (sakalar) are a old turkic tribe. Scytian conquered old eastern erope land. They were among attila han soldiers and fought europeans. The question is: Where are they now?
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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

Scythian (sakalar) are a old turkic tribe. Scytian conquered old eastern erope land. They were among attila han soldiers and fought europeans. The question is: Where are they now?


Scythians are not Turkic. They are Iranic people. To be more specific...Before there was such a thing like Persians, people speaking an Iranic language were collected in the Eurasian steppes. The group that moved to Messopotamia became the Persians, Mydoi etc. Those who stayed in the steppes became known as the Scythians etc. Ossetians for example are people probably descending from Scythians who moved southwards.


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Takes me back to so many onetime threads on how the Saxons were actually Persian because Scythian=Sakalar.....
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By the way, not to be unfair, a part of the Scythians did settle in Altai and certain graves show a slightly mixed Scythian population (with Altaic people) which is absolutely normal.The rest of Scythia though is thoroughly European. Besides their language was Indo-European and Herodotus mentions that even the Persians were anciently calling themselves Scythians.

On the point of Attila, I guess many people of Scythian origin did join, but that's just an assumption I make.


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Attila had scytian body guards. Many tarhan were in his army scytian turks. Scytian were mostly probability turks. their DNA were Turkic north east asian Dna. There are some finding in kurgan buriel in altai mountain has proofed this. There were some other tribes with them, also, but rulers were turkic altais.
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Scytians.... Where did I read they are related to the lost tribes of Israel, and to the Celts of Britain?
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Yeah, this question took me back to the old days of AE. Big smile
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old day! is it bad or a coplement?
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It's not good. LOL
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Originally posted by The Hidden Face The Hidden Face wrote:

It's not good. LOL
Tongue why?
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Long story. But I am going to summarize it in a single sentence for you: Many Turanists don't know how to discuss history in a civil manner.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mixcoatl Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 18:06
Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

their DNA were Turkic north east asian Dna.

There is no such thing as Turkic DNA. DNA and ethnicity don't really have much to do with each other.

Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:


Originally posted by The Hidden Face The Hidden Face wrote:

It's not good. LOL
Tongue why?

Because it was full with nationalist drivel like this. It was hilarious though.
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my friend merced showed me this website. I think he was a forumer here before. Do you know him?
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Originally posted by The Hidden Face The Hidden Face wrote:

Long story. But I am going to summarize it in a single sentence for you: Many Turanists don't know how to discuss history in a civil manner.
sad were are they now? do you have  turks here?
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I remember Merced. How's he doing?

As for the ethnicity of our forum members...we are all proto-Turks.  
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Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:

Attila had scytian body guards. Many tarhan were in his army scytian turks. Scytian were mostly probability turks. their DNA were Turkic north east asian Dna. There are some finding in kurgan buriel in altai mountain has proofed this. There were some other tribes with them, also, but rulers were turkic altais.


First of all Kurgan graves = Indo-European People, so finding Kurgan graves in east Asia could is related to migrations of the Scythians, Toharians etc.

As I mentioned earlier, Scythians were Indo-European people who settled amongst others in Altai. The kurgan graves you mention shows that the Scythians there were first of all Indo-Europeans but they did mix with people of Altai. The Scythians (the majority in other words) outside Altai were not mixed with Turks.

More info you will find here: http://www.springerlink.com/content/4462755368m322k8/?p=087abdf3edf548a4a719290f7fc84a62&pi=0

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Our autosomal, Y-chromosomal and mitochondrial DNA analyses reveal that whereas few specimens seem to be related matrilineally or patrilineally, nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R1a1-M17 which is thought to mark the eastward migration of the early Indo-Europeans.


If you check those markers R is present in almost all Europeans. The M17 marker is present in Czechs, Hindu, Iranians, Russians, Ukrainians.

Since Attila the Hun crossed their lands it is understandable that many Scythians, like other people, joined his campaign. The same happened with Alexander; just because he had for example Thracians in his army doesn't make the ancient Thracians Greeks. The same goes for Hannibal, he had many ethnicities in his army.

Just an example of the things I mention above is the Tarim mummies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies

As you can see those people were in the heart of China, but in fact they were of Indo-European origin.




Originally posted by Ergenekon Ergenekon wrote:


do you have  turks here?


Yes, in fact some of the people discussing with you are Turks. Personally my wife is Turkish and she doesn't get excited when she hears about Pan-Turanism stories. I have partly roots from Bursa therefore I do have a particular interest in anything regarding the region of Turkey.




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Originally posted by pinguin pinguin wrote:

Scytians.... Where did I read they are related to the lost tribes of Israel, and to the Celts of Britain?


Good one! Smile
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I'm so not going to do this again.
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They listened to Horace Greeley?

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Herodotus believed that Scythian were Turkish (Turkic) Origin,

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This are helpful.

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If this is what higher rankings on google brings then please, let's go back to .net.
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Originally posted by Dede Dede wrote:

This are helpful.



Maybe it is more helpful to read an experts view who is an authority in languages.

Just have a look on the bios available on Alexander Lubotsky and then read his paper on Scythian Elements in Old Iranian.

http://leidenuniv.academia.edu/alexanderlubotsky/Papers/409786/Scythian_Elements_In_Old_Iranian

And again....Kurgan graves are the definition of Proto-IE.
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Yes but this idiot "scholar" overlooks the obvious etymological link between "Turk" and "Scythian"- If you take away the S-C-Y-H-I-A-N and add U and R and K after the T... why, then you have T-U-R-K.  TURK!!!!


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Yes but this idiot "scholar" overlooks the obvious etymological link between "Turk" and "Scythian"- If you take away the S-C-Y-H-I-A-N and add U and R and K after the T... why, then you have T-U-R-K.  TURK!!!!
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