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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Actually, the clip you have of Ashley Judd has hear saying that she is privileged to give the message of a 19 year old, from, well some Southern city (Tennessee?).  So Ashley Judd is not saying that she (Ashley Judd) is nasty.  She is "channelling" some 19 year old black woman from TN(?).  I did not watch it to the end.  She was introduced by Michael Moore, at a women's March????  Michael Moore is a propagandist for the left who uses gotcha tactics that he would not take himself.  But, I am sure that for the promoters of the event, Michael Moore advocates all the correct causes, and so I guess that makes him qualified.

Yea Miss Judd's had better years. trying to stay relevant?

Michael Moore's One Man Show closed after 3 weeks , could not get 50% of an audience. Bad year for him too.
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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I don't know what this means.

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Weinstein

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OK, my mind wasn't going in that direction. Got it now.Thumbs Up

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Have a Bris -great tips!

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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Have a Bris -great tips!

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Ok I'm going to stop doing that lol.



Well, from what I saw on the clip....clip and no tip!
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Isn't wonderful what you can learn on the internet:P

Kevin Spacey is in a little trouble for years ago hitting on 14 year old boy.  I am not sure how aggressive he was, probably more rude than anything else, he was drunk and does not remember it, but has apologized.  But I guess his show is being cancelled after this season because of it.

When people express their positive 'support' for gays, I think that they think of people like themselves, only attracted towards the same sex.  I think that they don't realize that promiscuity, prostitution and under age attraction is just par for the course for most of gay culture.  Liberals tend to gloss over that, whereas conservatives tend to dwell on it, perhaps a little too much.  But, part of the response of conservatives is to gays presenting themselves as a united front, "GLBTQ."  Truth be told is the gays tend to be hyper masculine, lesbians hypo feminine, and gays and lesbians are kind of frustrated with bisexuals, wishing they would make up their minds.  But it is far from truly being a united front, and may appear a little scarier that way.  For example quite outside that united front, are the log cabin Republicans, gay Republicans that in some ways are quite conservative.

Carrie Fisher was sleeping in the same bed as a gay Republican, when he had an embolism and died.  The police asked her why she had been sleeping in the same bed as a gay man, she replied that there were two beds and three people, two of which, one man, and one woman were gay, so she slept in the bed (but just slept) with the gay man, knowing nothing would happen.  He was an activist or minor actor in the party.  Little did she know he would die on her.  She lived an interesting life, Resquat in Pace, Carrie Fisher.
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It seems like there could be a torrent of accusations against other rich and famous Hollywood type folks.

I didn't know that Kevin Spacey was gay.
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UPDATE: Kevin Spacey’s apology to actor Anthony Rapp has unleashed a flood of negative reactions on Twitter. Spacey’s decision to combine a coming-out statement with an apology to Rapp, who has accused him of sexual misconduct when Rapp was just 14, was slammed by observers who were shocked that Spacey took the opportunity to talk about his own sexuality in the midst of the accusation of underage sexual assault.

Additionally, the International Academy of Television Arts & Sciences announced on Monday that it would not be honoring Spacey with the Emmy Founders Award following the allegation.

“Savage Love” writer and “It Gets Better” creator Dan Savage strongly condemned his statement, saying “There’s no amount of drunk or closeted that excuses or explains away asssaulting a 14-year-old child.”

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/kevin-spacey-apology-anthony-rapp-gay-celebrities-1202602129/


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I remember Spacey denied being gay. Whoa! Hollywood IS GETTING SOME! GOOD! LOL


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Ironic that the movie "Swimming with Sharks" was mentioned here some time ago. Kevin Spacey starred in that movie.

Promiscuity, prostitution, and underage attraction certainly are part of gay culture, but no more so than they are part of straight mainstream  culture as well. However, I don't think that they are "par for the course" in either culture. It all depends upon the individuals, and their attitudes toward sex and attraction.

I think that in the case of the Kennedys, and of Clinton, the illicit sexual relationships were mutually consensual, and took place over a period of time. Whereas with Weinstein, it seems that he may have been  pressuring women into sexual relationships with him, implying that they needed to do so in order to obtain show business employment.


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Paula Jones brought up charges against Bill Clinton, that is what got him in trouble, _lying_under_oath_ in a deposition, not the fact that he had sex (except in his definition), with Monica Lewinsky.

You ever see that film of Marilyn Monroe looking out the window of the White House, with JFK behind her, she looks really lonely and rather kept.

A big part of the self-image of gay culture, is ancient Greece, which featured sex (but generally not penetration) between mature men and adolescent boys.  So there is a whole aesthetic in gay culture in going after youth.  Add to that that homosexuality is a fringe behavior in general, and it is not very far from being a fringe behavior of also going after adolescent boys.   Now of course, there are those that are able to live well within the (alternative) norms, and there are those who live on the edge.
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I started this topic "Weinstein-Justice?" thinking that it may just stir the pot a little and provide the basis for some debate.

I wasn't to know that lurking beneath the outwardly smooth veneer of Hollywood society, there lurked a secret that was apparently not a secret, that certain men high in the industry that is Hollywood, were sexual predators. Now, everyone has heard of the "casting couch" path to stardom, but in reality, did we still believe that it existed today? Apparently it still might, with a real line-up of movie stars etc. joining the list of accused sexual predators.

Of course, none of these people have been convicted in a court of law, but in the court of public opinion, mud, when thrown, sticks.

Quote Days after Jeremy Piven refuted allegations of sexual assault against him, “Smallville” actress Cassidy Freeman is calling the actor out for his “predatory behavior.” 

On Tuesday, actress Ariane Bellamar accused Piven of forcefully fondling her on two separate occasions, as well as sending her “abusive” and “explicit” text messages. Bellamar has since been inundated with misogynistic attacks on social media with many blaming the actress for her own alleged assault.

Quote UPDATE: Nov. 2 ― A man who wished to remain anonymous says Kevin Spaceyattempted to rape him when he was 14 years old, New York Magazine reported Thursday.

Quote The eighties child actor, who has alleged he and Corey Haim suffered abuse at the hands of a Hollywood pedophile ring for years, appeared on “Dr. Oz” on Thursday, naming bit actor and his former assistant Jon Grissom

And others are joining the list daily.

I'm always suspicious of claims of wrongdoing which go back 30 or 40 years or more. I wonder why the complainant or someone on their behalf didn't do something earlier.



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The attraction to youth is a big part of commercial advertising now, and has been for many years. Many years ago, advertising used to rely upon factual information in publicizing their products and wares. Nowadays both television and the print media rely upon images of attractive young men and women to sell their merchandise. Youthful appearance is a major part of the porn industry too. Strip bars, in every city or town of any size,  always look for attractive young women, the younger the better (provided that they are of legal age) to bring in the clientele. I suspect that the vast majority of the clientele is there to watch and enjoy, and nothing more, but there's always a small fringe element that will take it further.

I'm not sure that Hollywood is much worse than anywhere else in trading or expecting sexual favors for job advancement, but because of the celebrity nature of its personnel, it receives more publicity. I suspect it occurs in the business & corporate world, civil-service, academia, and virtually everywhere, as well. And in both professional & blue-collar occupations.  It seems to be the nature of our society.
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It is interesting the criticism of Kevin Spacey from gays.  It seems to me, that in the past there was more of a tolerance of such behavior towards minors in a desire to keep a united front.  I am glad to see that might be changing.

I am not sure how people are employed in the movie business, are they independent contractors?  The days of a studio having a stable of stars seems over these day.  If you are hired for a movie, how do you go to the HR director to complain?  There is not HR director.  And I think one could say that Hollywood has a liberal reputation of everybody doing everybody else, how do you separate out that behavior (and allow it?) from "predatory behavior"?  But it is not a normal, corporate work environment.
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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

The attraction to youth is a big part of commercial advertising now, and has been for many years. Many years ago, advertising used to rely upon factual information in publicizing their products and wares. Nowadays both television and the print media rely upon images of attractive young men and women to sell their merchandise. Youthful appearance is a major part of the porn industry too. Strip bars, in every city or town of any size,  always look for attractive young women, the younger the better (provided that they are of legal age) to bring in the clientele. I suspect that the vast majority of the clientele is there to watch and enjoy, and nothing more, but there's always a small fringe element that will take it further.

I'm not sure that Hollywood is much worse than anywhere else in trading or expecting sexual favors for job advancement, but because of the celebrity nature of its personnel, it receives more publicity. I suspect it occurs in the business & corporate world, civil-service, academia, and virtually everywhere, as well. And in both professional & blue-collar occupations.  It seems to be the nature of our society.

Good to hear (?) from you Windemere.

I have no argument with what you say, but of all the women who have now come forward to denounce Weinstein, I'm surprised that none came forward earlier. Did they really think that their silence would advance their careers? I wonder.


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I don't think that they thought their silence would advance their careers.  I think that they thought it would just lead them to a lot of grief and hassle.  Several however, (five) did come forward earlier sued Weinstein, but he had both personal lawyers and lawyers from his company.  They settled and part of the settlements was that they signed non-disclosure agreements, which basically acted as a gag order.

But Weinstein's behavior was probably known in the company's inner circle, and they were protecting him.  I think a harassed woman could sue, but all that would do is make her #6 to settle, and would not address the fundamental problem.  A woman looking on would not know that there had been settlements, but would see someone with egregious behavior, with no repercussions. 
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In some ways, I think that this is a good thing, a housecleaning, of stuff that has been going on forever, but swept under the rug.  It is not like this kind of stuff wasn't happening in the past, it was just allowed to slide.  But, also think that it is clear that there are for these "individuals" multiple complaints.  It is not just that there is one or two against a Weinstein, a Spacey, a Rose, a Moore, (a Clinton), it is that there are multiple complaints, and a pattern of behavior.  That doesn't mean that they are all equivalent, they're not.
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It's true that they're not all equivalent. Forcible sex against a person's will (rape), and having sex with an underage child, is worse than unwanted touching, fondling, or verbal remarks. (Although they're all reprehensible, and connote a sense of selfishness, narcissism, and lack of respect for human dignity on the part of the perpetrators.)
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Trial by media is a big issue in this country, imho. So, i agree. Harvey is deserving of a fair trial.

With that said, i have little sympathy for hollywood types. They played up their virtues and morals as exemplary to the detriment of their boogeymen. Namely flyover country and the populace made up of redneck sexists racists, in their ivory opinions as it has long appeared o me. The people in the middle of the country have been caricatured too long by hollywood stories. Not facts! A whole swath of the country has long been tried by the media with no equal representation or fairness.

The shoe is on the other foot now. Poetic justice it seems.
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Originally posted by Panther Panther wrote:

Trial by media is a big issue in this country, imho. So, i agree. Harvey is deserving of a fair trial.

With that said, i have little sympathy for hollywood types. They played up their virtues and morals as exemplary to the detriment of their boogeymen. Namely flyover country and the populace made up of redneck sexists racists, in their ivory opinions as it has long appeared o me. The people in the middle of the country have been caricatured too long by hollywood stories. Not facts! A whole swath of the country has long been tried by the media with no equal representation or fairness.

The shoe is on the other foot now. Poetic justice it seems.

Thanks Panther. I agree, trial by media is an issue that needs to be addressed-for example, the famous "Perp Walk", where a suspect is paraded before the media, in handcuffs. The mere fact that a person is in police custody is not proof of their guilt, but the Perp Walk takes place for one reason only, to prejudice public opinion.

I'm slightly in awe of the number of "big name" people who have been basically sacked from their positions, based on media reports of misconduct. Grubs they may well be, and maybe, just maybe, deserving of whatever they get, but where's the procedural fairness, the belief that a person is entitled to be considered innocent, until proven guilty?


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Doesn't Scottish law (yes, I know nobody here is Scottish), make a distinction between innocent and not guilty?  In other words, this motley cast of characters may not be guilty of the worst people imagine of them, but they also are not innocent as babes.  In fact, that is the problem, most of them go after the babes, and use their position to do so.

But, we should realize that this really only involves a certain class of women.  Ambitious, upwardly mobile, capable and not likely to give us average schmucks the time of day.  I am not saying they deserve it, I am saying that they are in a different world.

But, as far as media coverage is concerned, live by the sword, die by the sword.
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To be found Not Guilty by a jury doesn't mean that the subject is innocent. It only means that the prosecution hasn't proved it's case "beyond reasonable doubt".

In Civil Actions, such as one person suing another for damages, breach of contract etc, the level of proof is lower, "on the balance of probabilities".

Courts don't consider innocence, only evidence, or lack thereof, of guilt.

The burden of proof is always "he who asserts must prove", that's why sometimes, a person charged with a crime will not give evidence on their own behalf, or sometimes don't even call witnesses in their defence.

Under The Westminster system of justice, (UK, USA, Australia etc.) nothing is forbidden unless the law says so. I understand that in some European countries, everything is unlawful unless the law dictates otherwise, and that an accused person is guilty until he proves his innocence.




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