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The links to this story have been sabotaged. Do you want me to copy the whole thing? Can you search?  It won't let me cut/paste properly. 
http://https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/08/trump-media-richard-burr-1159002

In an interview with CBS published Thursday, Burr (R-N.C.) gave glimpses into the dynamics and scope of his committee's probe, which was launched shortly before Trump's 2017 inauguration and has now stretched into its third year. Burr told CBS that the committee staff has interviewed more than 200 witnesses from multiple countries and reviewed over 300,000 pages."Based on the evidence to date," Burr said, the committee could not definitively say there was collusion between Trump and the Russians.

"If we write a report based upon the facts that we have, then we don't have anything that would suggest there was collusion by the Trump campaign and Russia," Burr told CBS.

Still, the senator said some questions raised over the investigation could occupy the committee "for the next decade," and that portions of the final report could be so classified that they are never revealed to the public. Burr said his committee is "close to pushing out the door" a report on the Obama administration's response to Russian election interference, a release that the chairman said could come within a "matter of weeks."
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considering how much much of the republican party has become a Trump subsidiary, such reassurances are not, well, very reassuring.  Especially if it is framed as how Obama handled the Russian interference.  It is an interesting question, but it smacks of the old Trump theme that everything is Obama's fault (and Trump is just a misunderstood "innocent" who everybody is picking on).  

The Trumpites seem to think that if Obama and Hillary got off from their crimes because of a technicality, for some reason that absolves Trump.  It is like a robber saying, Simpson got a way with premeditated murder of two, and all I did was shoot someone in holdup that went the way I absolutely did not intend it to go.  It is not my fault and I shouldn't be held accountable.  Trump has been using and hiding behind hi-priced lawyers all his life, Obama and Hillary at least understand how to behave in public.  It seems like it is not whether something will trip Trump up, but what.

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Evidence for Clinton's collusion with the Russians grows. Consider the fraudulent dossier compiled by Christopher Steele with the help of a retired KGB operative. It was the basis for a fraudulent FISA application. Or read the investigative journalism of John Solomon and Greg Jarrett.

Nothing Trump did will absolve Hillary and Obama for colluding with the Russians. It's coming, Mueller will be lucky if he isn't forced to resign.

Evidence of Trump collusion has yet to show itself, notwithstanding "IF IT'S TRUE-CNN" ad nauseam.

The behavior of democrats in public, recently and including Obama but most definitely Hillary's has been an embarrassment for years and years to many of us. We are free to see what we see.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

  
There is a natural finishing point for the investigation when there is nothing more in the (sleaze ball) campaign to discover.  There are two schools of thought, shut it down, because it is getting results, or not shut it down because it is (still) getting results.  These investigations have a wide leeway.

From what I understand Mueller is publishing stuff as he goes along in the court notes when he is working on a specific indictment.  Just shutting him down, would not really shut it down.
Here are some real sleazeballs who invented a "narrative indictment" and coerced admissions of guilt unrelated to Trump's campaign. Thank goodness they were here to protect us from democracy :)
 

Two more officials cited in FBI texts step down

The FBI's media chief and the head of the Justice Department's anti-espionage section are both departing.

http://https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533

The list of officials frequently discussed in the texts who are no longer in their jobs seems to grow by the day. It includes former FBI Director James Comey, who was fired by Trump; former Deputy Director Andrew McCabe; Comey’s chief of staff, James Rybicki; FBI General Counsel James Baker; as well as Strzok, who was booted off the special counsel investigation and sent to a job in the FBI’s personnel division.



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Nothing Obama or Hillary did will absolve Trump.  But don't worry, he has a buddy in the Kremlin spreading disinformazione.

Hillary, Bill and Obama are out of the game, they are the old bastards, we have to worry about the new bastard now.  Or don't worry about him if you don't want.  What me worry?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Nothing Obama or Hillary did will absolve Trump.  But don't worry, he has a buddy in the Kremlin spreading disinformazione.

Hillary, Bill and Obama are out of the game, they are the old bastards, we have to worry about the new bastard now.  Or don't worry about him if you don't want.  What me worry?
Worry about the racists/baby killers in Virginia's government.
Absolve Trump from what exactly? Oh that's right, you wouldn't know. 
Yet you seem to have some silent supporter(s), Hillary and Bill are toxic but not without some influence. 

Obama was still very active in the democrat party and speaking against this POTUS, he only quiets down when Comey is exposed for his bias and disinformation in the--- "Russia Probe"

Obama is sweating the question about why he couldn't stop Russian interference- small clue- his sycophants convinced him that Hillary would win.
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Forget all of the past history, Donald Trump has done, and continues to do immeasurable damage to the American brand and to US integrity.

His behaviour since inauguration is reason enough, IMHO, to sack him.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Forget all of the past history, Donald Trump has done, and continues to do immeasurable damage to the American brand and to US integrity.

His behaviour since inauguration is reason enough, IMHO, to sack him.
Yea start your list here, all those terrible things, toyomotor.
And then I'll list the success of this admin so far. Eager to do so. 

His behavior? Obama was allowed to act like an idiot for 8 years so whitey could prove that he isn't a racist, all whitey proved is that he can ignore his own mind when pressured sufficiently by media and leftists lunatics. Democrats want to execute viable babies that survive abortion. 



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Let's not take this so personally.

We all have different views on many things, including Donald Trump, but that isn't to say that I don't respect your right to support him.

But you must admit, he's made a rod for his own back.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Let's not take this so personally.

We all have different views on many things, including Donald Trump, but that isn't to say that I don't respect your right to support him.

But you must admit, he's made a rod for his own back.
Aren't we supposed to listen to what's being said and ignore the fact that you may not love the messenger?  Obama did some things that I appreciated such as normalizing US/Cuban relations and his release of prisoners who were sentenced to decades for non violent crimes.  To not acknowledge good work is often hypocritical and always small.


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"a rod for his own back"?

The "problem" with Donald Trump is that he was duly elected, deposing him will just look like sour grapes to his supporters, especially since the Clintons were so loose with any appearance of moral integrity.  It is an interesting question, what crime or misdemeanor would be bothersome enough to actually rise to the level of consciousness for his followers?  Nothing he does or says bothers his supporters while almost everything he does and says bother his opponents.  There may be a point that there is too much evidence to ignore and not impeaching him becomes ridiculous.  But, if we can, I think we should wait it out until the 2020 election and hope he gets voted out then.  But, again the Democrats seem to be in a race to demonstrate who can be more radical.  If that is the case, then a (corrupt) Donald Trump might be the lesser of evils.

Like Jordan B. Peterson said, "you gotta live with these people." meaning the Republicans for the democrats, and the democrats for the Republicans.

Republicans (conservatives) have traditionally thought the democrats a little stupid, but well intentioned, the liberals (not classical liberals) on the other hand, believe that conservatives are evil.  They cannot imagine anyone disagreeing with them.  Now, that animosity of the left, is being repaid on the right.  The liberals and the media are stupid in not understanding where this rage is coming from, they assume it is some kind of white supremacist plot, but the fact is, white supremacists are rare, having been purged from conservativism by William F. Buckley.  You're much more likely to find Black separatists [supremacists] and Hispanic followers of Atzetlan, especially on campus, then you are to find white supremacists.

Condorcet and Godwin thought that Malthus was evil, Malthus on the other hand though Condorcet and Godwin a little misguided, but generally good intentioned.  It probably sticks in Godwin and Condorcet's craw that the general public knows of Malthus, whereas they are largely forgotten.

Thomas Sowell has (at least) two books dealing with difference between the current left and right, _Conflict of Visions_, and _the Anointed Vision_. 
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Of course, it would be better for the Republicans if Trump was impeached, the sooner the better, so that they could get someone else in there that does not have his baggage.  Likewise, it might be better for the democrats to run against Trump, not against an unknown Republican candidate but of course that is the case if they don't destroy themselves (which it looks like they are doing).
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A rod for his own back = brought it all on himself.

I don't rail against Trump's policies in general, just his public persona, his lies and exaggerations.
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N-E-G-O-T-I-A-T-E.

Will someone please explain the meaning of this word to Donald Trump?
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What?  With Kim Jun Un???

Trump has intentionally chosen an impossible task, if he succeeds, he will get praise and adulation, if he fails, no one can really blame him.  And if he makes the situation worse, well in the long run (or even the short run), it is not his problem.  So, he is making it worse.  But some people will give him credit for "trying."

But, as far as Kim Jun Un is concerned, he is getting legitimacy, and buying more time to build more missiles.  For Trump you would think this is a bad thing, but not so.  For US it is a bad thing, for Trump it makes him look like he is getting an "E" for effort.
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I agree that Trump deserves a certain amount of credit for trying, but his style is all bully-boy while Kim Jun Un, typical of his family line, is two faced, saying one thing while doing another.

Perhaps it could turn out better if someone independent of the USA were to (try to) negotiate with KJU.

Even so, I can see a truth behind the NK version of why the latest talks broke down.
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