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US internal politics have just slipped down the list of priorities for the administration.

Russia has flown troops to Venuzuela with the intent of supporting the Maduro government, although the last election allegedly places Gaido as the president.

There are also reports that Russia wants to build a military installation on one of Venuzuela's islands.

This is shaping up to be another "Cuban Crisis". The US administration cannot tolerate Russia being in a position to threaten the US borders, or indeed Washington itself.

Now is the time for Trump to take urgent action in blockading Venuzuela, the US, and it's allies must stop Russian and Chinese intrusion in these areas.

Perhaps flying in several thousand troops to the Ukraine might make Putin revise his ideas.
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Quote Trump is a horrible human being, but we have gone through the investigation regarding conspiracy, and Trump and the campaign have been absolved on that account.  All along (most of the time), I've said we should trust in Mueller's integrity.  I think I have been vindicated on that, on the other hand, I am not sure about the integrity of Trump, or the democrats, or the republicans for that matter.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote Trump is a horrible human being, but we have gone through the investigation regarding conspiracy, and Trump and the campaign have been absolved on that account.  All along (most of the time), I've said we should trust in Mueller's integrity.  I think I have been vindicated on that, on the other hand, I am not sure about the integrity of Trump, or the democrats, or the republicans for that matter.

Spot on mate. Wink

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So are you reserving judgement for when the highly redacted report comes out?
Or are you accepting the findings of AG?
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No, I don't accept the AG's redacted report.

The full report, all 300 pages should be released so that Joe Citizen, if he wants, can read exactly what Mueller wrote.
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Do you want to compromise sources that may have taken a risk in helping inform Mueller?
Is your voyeurism that pronounced that you feel that you have a god-given right to see it
regardless of who gets hurt?  Well?

I have no doubt that eventually the report will come out, leaked or otherwise.  Eventually all the rubberneckers will be able to drool over the car wreck.

I am shocked! that there is gambling happening in this establishment!  [Here is your winnings, sir].
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Quote Do you want to compromise sources that may have taken a risk in helping inform Mueller?
Is your voyeurism that pronounced that you feel that you have a god-given right to see it
regardless of who gets hurt?  Well?

No I didn't mean that sources should be burned, nor innocents be impaled. What I'm saying is that the factual content determined by Mueller, and any recommendations etc should be released.

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The more I read or hear about DJT I'm thinking that perhaps he has a mental problem.

According to an article I've just read, he's now claiming that his father was born in Germany. There's proof that this is not true.

Could it be the early stages of Alzheimers ?
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There is a story of someone walking down the street with Trump, they pass a homeless man, Trump says "see that guy, he is a billion dollars richer than me."  Trump is extraordinary with the number of bankruptcies he has had, a normal man would have jumped out the window after one.  But, yes a little narcism and little sociopathic tendencies, a little ADD.  But, I wouldn't call it a mental problem, except to the extant that it makes him "obnoxious."  All that makes his personality, which is flawed, but seems to work for him.
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Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
 FBI cannot "unmask" anyone not being charged with a crime. It is equivalent to doing significant damage to the reputation of people not under indictment, and is unconstitutional. 
2,800 subpoenas alone. The report is going to be heavily redacted. What matters is the FISA court applications. Four different times that Fake Dossier was used to get a warrant on a citizen. 

What evidence was the FBI expected to find?

Was the Russian comedians' prank on Adam Schiff the "Insurance Policy" that FBI agents referred to in text messages?
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I don't know what evidence the FBI was expected to find.  Isn't that part of the point of the investigation?  To determine whether there is evidence and what kind.  He was (apparently) cleared on conspiracy, but as far as obstruction of justice is concerned, that is another question.  And yes, you can do obstruction on the behalf of someone else doing a crime.  Now whether a jerk getting in the way of things is obstructing, or just being a jerk is relevant to Donald Trump's personality.  He thinks everybody he's ever worked with is a great guy, until they're not.  I actually think that it is one sign someone's carrier is over, when he says how they are such a great guy.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
And this is why your complaints are trivial and lack basic understanding of how the judicial system works at the level of POTUS. IMpeachable offenses- high crimes and misdemeanors, you haven't seen ANY but you want to keep looking ?
That's unconstitutional. You don't find a crime to fit the target, maybe  that's how its done in AU, I dunno.

In FISA court, no one is there to speak for the Target, the judge has to be pretty damn sure about what evidence will be found. You don't wonder about that? Or is it fine bc Trump deserves to be lied about, you don't like him. 

While you ignore the "unnamed sources" and the "it's not circumstantial evidence or direct evidence, but it's evidence."- that's Adam Schiff, what OTHER kinds of evidence are there toyomotor?????????Delusional Collusion Team.

You impune Bill Barr and embrace CNN Jackasses!!!





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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.

Barr put out a summary while they REDACT the report. That was a courtesy for the D, while the report was being REDACTED.
Ask OBAMA why Fast and Furious documents were REDACTED? Why Obama were all the FOIA requests REDACTED?
Democrats & CNN LIE when they say the public has a "right" to see the report!
US citizens waited 26 years for the WARREN REPORT!

As the Associated Press reported last month: "More often than ever, the [Obama] administration censored government files or outright denied access to them last year under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act."

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You're a Trump supporter, a vehement supporter in fact.

Would you rather see an unredacted report which completely exonerates your hero, or a redacted report which leaves important questions unanswered?

If the report shows conclusively that Trump is guilty of high crimes or misdemeanours, in your mind, would he deserve to remain in the position of POTUS?

As long as the important questions remain unanswered, attention will be diverted from the important issues of governance, while people continue to question his integrity, and/or criminality, as the case may be.

Regardless of the fact that I don't like him, which is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, I would have thought that the American people would want to know the truth. 


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

The more I read or hear about DJT I'm thinking that perhaps he has a mental problem.

According to an article I've just read, he's now claiming that his father was born in Germany. There's proof that this is not true.

Could it be the early stages of Alzheimers ?
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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You're a Trump supporter, a vehement supporter in fact.

Would you rather see an unredacted report which completely exonerates your hero, or a redacted report which leaves important questions unanswered?
I want to see the most we can see and in no way does Barr suggest that he wants a lot of unanswered questions after two years of this fake news.
Nancy Pelosi protests too much, she'll be saturating her adult diapers when the testimony of FBI assassins is made public.

 Actually he has a team of people and they are each working in their areas of expertise to do it legally. 

Here is what you don't see bc of CNN- the democrats and the former administration did a lot of dirty deals. Such as FBI not informing Trump that he had a Russian spy on his campaign team. There was evidence right? You can't just get FISA warrant without evidence, right?
Apparently you can! 4 subpoenas based on the Steele dossier paid for by DNC. Yes I want to see it, not to exonerate Trump I'm not kidding myself about how he operates. I want to see Obozo disgraced and Eric Holder who asked "when was America ever great?" hear his answer from the AG.

No, sorry he didn't have a spy on his team. The FBI will answer for it. Also why did FBI assist DNC while British operatives promised details about Trump from ex KGB freelance leakers?

Quote report shows conclusively that Trump is guilty of high crimes or misdemeanours, in your mind, would he deserve to remain in the position of POTUS?
Barr already said it doesn't show collusion or obstruction. Why would it show high crimes and misdemeanors? 
 
If Obama is found to have originated spying on an American citizen with no evidence should he be tried publicly for high crimes and misdemeanors?

Quote as the important questions remain unanswered, attention will be diverted from the important issues of governance, while people continue to question his integrity, and/or criminality, as the case may be.

Regardless of the fact that I don't like him, which is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, I would have thought that the American people would want to know the truth. 


We do. 
The money Australia paid to the Clinton Foundation to fight AIDS does not remain in the fund allocated to Aids in Asia. The Clintons moved that money around just like the old carnival shell game.
Australian Alexander Downer- is either a dupe or a another globalist Clinton conspirator. And yes the Clinton foundation's books are screwy and irregular. It was Downer who told Papadopoulus about Hillary dumping 3000 emails and that Wiki leaks had them.
Why would Clinton's buddy do that?  

Downer, now Australia’s ambassador to London, provided the account of a conversation with Trump campaign adviser George Papadopoulos at a London bar in 2016 that became the official reason the FBI opened the Russia counterintelligence probe.

But lawmakers say the FBI didn’t tell Congress about Downer’s prior connection to the Clinton Foundation. Republicans say they are concerned the new information means nearly all of the early evidence the FBI used to justify its election-year probe of Trump came from sources supportive of the Clintons, including the controversial Steele dossier.



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The truth is that Jesus loves me, or God is great, or something on that scale, not whether or not Trump doesn't pay his taxes.  I would like to see Trump's finances become public, but I wouldn't confuse that with the truth.  And the fact that CNN and so forth are rabble rousing, demanding that 'people have a right to the truth.'  Well, I don't think that most people would know the truth if it bit them on the nose.  But they can be stampeded towards the cliff quite easily.  What would be the purpose of such 'enlightenment?'  Pelosi has already decided that Trump won't get impeached.  The purpose is to have compromising information out there, so that it will improve democratic chances in the election.  If Trump was actually impeached, then the democrats would have to face somebody else in the general election, someone who was not so 'compromised'.  That is as far as the "truth' goes for the democrats, enough to wound, but not to take Trump out.  That is what CNN is doing in demanding "people have a right to know,' they don't want to take him out by impeachment, they want to wait for the election.  I think you can see, toyomotor, how the whole thing is just a little bit, manipulative.

The democrats don't have a problem with corruption, as long as it is their corruption.  Anything else, "the public has a right to know."


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The position in the US is obviously different to that of Australia.

If our Prime Minister was accused of collusion with China or Russia, the public would demand a Royal Commission, and they'd get it.

I'm understanding that various law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the US are perhaps pushing a political agenda, and that's something that wouldn't happen here, at least not as blatantly.

Media has already attacked Barr as trying to hide the full truth and content of the Mueller Report, I don't know how much of that is pure politics.
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