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US internal politics have just slipped down the list of priorities for the administration.

Russia has flown troops to Venuzuela with the intent of supporting the Maduro government, although the last election allegedly places Gaido as the president.

There are also reports that Russia wants to build a military installation on one of Venuzuela's islands.

This is shaping up to be another "Cuban Crisis". The US administration cannot tolerate Russia being in a position to threaten the US borders, or indeed Washington itself.

Now is the time for Trump to take urgent action in blockading Venuzuela, the US, and it's allies must stop Russian and Chinese intrusion in these areas.

Perhaps flying in several thousand troops to the Ukraine might make Putin revise his ideas.
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Quote Trump is a horrible human being, but we have gone through the investigation regarding conspiracy, and Trump and the campaign have been absolved on that account.  All along (most of the time), I've said we should trust in Mueller's integrity.  I think I have been vindicated on that, on the other hand, I am not sure about the integrity of Trump, or the democrats, or the republicans for that matter.

Spot on mate. Wink

You can always tell when a politician is lying, his/her lips are moving.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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Quote Trump is a horrible human being, but we have gone through the investigation regarding conspiracy, and Trump and the campaign have been absolved on that account.  All along (most of the time), I've said we should trust in Mueller's integrity.  I think I have been vindicated on that, on the other hand, I am not sure about the integrity of Trump, or the democrats, or the republicans for that matter.

Spot on mate. Wink

You can always tell when a politician is lying, his/her lips are moving.

So are you reserving judgement for when the highly redacted report comes out?
Or are you accepting the findings of AG?
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No, I don't accept the AG's redacted report.

The full report, all 300 pages should be released so that Joe Citizen, if he wants, can read exactly what Mueller wrote.
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Do you want to compromise sources that may have taken a risk in helping inform Mueller?
Is your voyeurism that pronounced that you feel that you have a god-given right to see it
regardless of who gets hurt?  Well?

I have no doubt that eventually the report will come out, leaked or otherwise.  Eventually all the rubberneckers will be able to drool over the car wreck.

I am shocked! that there is gambling happening in this establishment!  [Here is your winnings, sir].
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Quote Do you want to compromise sources that may have taken a risk in helping inform Mueller?
Is your voyeurism that pronounced that you feel that you have a god-given right to see it
regardless of who gets hurt?  Well?

No I didn't mean that sources should be burned, nor innocents be impaled. What I'm saying is that the factual content determined by Mueller, and any recommendations etc should be released.

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The more I read or hear about DJT I'm thinking that perhaps he has a mental problem.

According to an article I've just read, he's now claiming that his father was born in Germany. There's proof that this is not true.

Could it be the early stages of Alzheimers ?
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There is a story of someone walking down the street with Trump, they pass a homeless man, Trump says "see that guy, he is a billion dollars richer than me."  Trump is extraordinary with the number of bankruptcies he has had, a normal man would have jumped out the window after one.  But, yes a little narcism and little sociopathic tendencies, a little ADD.  But, I wouldn't call it a mental problem, except to the extant that it makes him "obnoxious."  All that makes his personality, which is flawed, but seems to work for him.
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Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
 FBI cannot "unmask" anyone not being charged with a crime. It is equivalent to doing significant damage to the reputation of people not under indictment, and is unconstitutional. 
2,800 subpoenas alone. The report is going to be heavily redacted. What matters is the FISA court applications. Four different times that Fake Dossier was used to get a warrant on a citizen. 

What evidence was the FBI expected to find?

Was the Russian comedians' prank on Adam Schiff the "Insurance Policy" that FBI agents referred to in text messages?
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I don't know what evidence the FBI was expected to find.  Isn't that part of the point of the investigation?  To determine whether there is evidence and what kind.  He was (apparently) cleared on conspiracy, but as far as obstruction of justice is concerned, that is another question.  And yes, you can do obstruction on the behalf of someone else doing a crime.  Now whether a jerk getting in the way of things is obstructing, or just being a jerk is relevant to Donald Trump's personality.  He thinks everybody he's ever worked with is a great guy, until they're not.  I actually think that it is one sign someone's carrier is over, when he says how they are such a great guy.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.
And this is why your complaints are trivial and lack basic understanding of how the judicial system works at the level of POTUS. IMpeachable offenses- high crimes and misdemeanors, you haven't seen ANY but you want to keep looking ?
That's unconstitutional. You don't find a crime to fit the target, maybe  that's how its done in AU, I dunno.

In FISA court, no one is there to speak for the Target, the judge has to be pretty damn sure about what evidence will be found. You don't wonder about that? Or is it fine bc Trump deserves to be lied about, you don't like him. 

While you ignore the "unnamed sources" and the "it's not circumstantial evidence or direct evidence, but it's evidence."- that's Adam Schiff, what OTHER kinds of evidence are there toyomotor?????????Delusional Collusion Team.

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Some of special counsel Robert Mueller's investigators have told associates that Attorney General William Barr did not properly convey how damaging their findings were for President Donald Trump, The New York Times reported Wednesday.

This is why I say that the full unredacted report should be released, with the proviso, of course, that no harm is done to innocent parties as a result.

Barr put out a summary while they REDACT the report. That was a courtesy for the D, while the report was being REDACTED.
Ask OBAMA why Fast and Furious documents were REDACTED? Why Obama were all the FOIA requests REDACTED?
Democrats & CNN LIE when they say the public has a "right" to see the report!
US citizens waited 26 years for the WARREN REPORT!

As the Associated Press reported last month: "More often than ever, the [Obama] administration censored government files or outright denied access to them last year under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act."

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You're a Trump supporter, a vehement supporter in fact.

Would you rather see an unredacted report which completely exonerates your hero, or a redacted report which leaves important questions unanswered?

If the report shows conclusively that Trump is guilty of high crimes or misdemeanours, in your mind, would he deserve to remain in the position of POTUS?

As long as the important questions remain unanswered, attention will be diverted from the important issues of governance, while people continue to question his integrity, and/or criminality, as the case may be.

Regardless of the fact that I don't like him, which is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, I would have thought that the American people would want to know the truth. 


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

The more I read or hear about DJT I'm thinking that perhaps he has a mental problem.

According to an article I've just read, he's now claiming that his father was born in Germany. There's proof that this is not true.

Could it be the early stages of Alzheimers ?
His father was a Cherokee :)
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

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You're a Trump supporter, a vehement supporter in fact.

Would you rather see an unredacted report which completely exonerates your hero, or a redacted report which leaves important questions unanswered?
I want to see the most we can see and in no way does Barr suggest that he wants a lot of unanswered questions after two years of this fake news.
Nancy Pelosi protests too much, she'll be saturating her adult diapers when the testimony of FBI assassins is made public.

 Actually he has a team of people and they are each working in their areas of expertise to do it legally. 

Here is what you don't see bc of CNN- the democrats and the former administration did a lot of dirty deals. Such as FBI not informing Trump that he had a Russian spy on his campaign team. There was evidence right? You can't just get FISA warrant without evidence, right?
Apparently you can! 4 subpoenas based on the Steele dossier paid for by DNC. Yes I want to see it, not to exonerate Trump I'm not kidding myself about how he operates. I want to see Obozo disgraced and Eric Holder who asked "when was America ever great?" hear his answer from the AG.

No, sorry he didn't have a spy on his team. The FBI will answer for it. Also why did FBI assist DNC while British operatives promised details about Trump from ex KGB freelance leakers?

Quote report shows conclusively that Trump is guilty of high crimes or misdemeanours, in your mind, would he deserve to remain in the position of POTUS?
Barr already said it doesn't show collusion or obstruction. Why would it show high crimes and misdemeanors? 
 
If Obama is found to have originated spying on an American citizen with no evidence should he be tried publicly for high crimes and misdemeanors?

Quote as the important questions remain unanswered, attention will be diverted from the important issues of governance, while people continue to question his integrity, and/or criminality, as the case may be.

Regardless of the fact that I don't like him, which is unimportant in the grand scheme of things, I would have thought that the American people would want to know the truth. 


We do. 
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The truth is that Jesus loves me, or God is great, or something on that scale, not whether or not Trump doesn't pay his taxes.  I would like to see Trump's finances become public, but I wouldn't confuse that with the truth.  And the fact that CNN and so forth are rabble rousing, demanding that 'people have a right to the truth.'  Well, I don't think that most people would know the truth if it bit them on the nose.  But they can be stampeded towards the cliff quite easily.  What would be the purpose of such 'enlightenment?'  Pelosi has already decided that Trump won't get impeached.  The purpose is to have compromising information out there, so that it will improve democratic chances in the election.  If Trump was actually impeached, then the democrats would have to face somebody else in the general election, someone who was not so 'compromised'.  That is as far as the "truth' goes for the democrats, enough to wound, but not to take Trump out.  That is what CNN is doing in demanding "people have a right to know,' they don't want to take him out by impeachment, they want to wait for the election.  I think you can see, toyomotor, how the whole thing is just a little bit, manipulative.

The democrats don't have a problem with corruption, as long as it is their corruption.  Anything else, "the public has a right to know."


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The position in the US is obviously different to that of Australia.

If our Prime Minister was accused of collusion with China or Russia, the public would demand a Royal Commission, and they'd get it.

I'm understanding that various law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the US are perhaps pushing a political agenda, and that's something that wouldn't happen here, at least not as blatantly.

Media has already attacked Barr as trying to hide the full truth and content of the Mueller Report, I don't know how much of that is pure politics.
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The USA is in danger of becoming a dictatorship under Trump.

The President has ordered some of his senior managers to ignore Congressional subpoenas, thereby avoiding giving evidence which would probably be harmful to him.

Apparently, now The White House has sued a member of congress to prevent Trump staff attending.

Congress cannot permit this disobedience to happen. I don't know what steps it can take but to ignore a subpoena is not a trifling matter, it strikes at the very heart of government.

Trump and his cohorts have set themselves up as being beyond normal oversight and control, and if nothing is done to quell this, it could have long lasting and very serious effects on government in the USA.

Btw, the media reports surrounding Barr's redacted copy of the Mueller Report is precisely what I was talking about earlier. His version differs to that of Mueller, and I know who I believe.


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The United States is close to becoming a gangster state.  The Constitution, the body of law and two centuries of procedural governance are being assaulted by a wannabe autocrat and mafioso.

The pimple in the White House is engineering a constitutional crisis in order to keep himself out of prison.  It remains to be seen whether the courts have become so corrupted that an administration, in contempt of Congress, will serve the interests of a minority party.  That party has been subverting the rule of law for almost 50 years.  This is nothing that has not been observed before, but now, due to Mr. Trump's personal interests, the Republican Party is on board in moving the Constitutional powers of government further away from Congress, and into the executive which recently has acted more and more as though the law does not exist for its purposes.

What will happen is anyone's guess.  The Federal courts, and in particular the SCOTUS, have become almost the lawyers of business interests and of an executive that has increasingly unlimited power.

The Senate, an historically responsible institution, cares little about this.  Republican senators up for re-election in 2020 are only concerned with keeping their seats (they know they will probably all be around long after Trump is gone).

Impeachment is a pipe dream in the contemporary partisan atmosphere.  The courts are more and more partisan and cannot be depended upon.  The electorate is hopeless.  There is little confidence that Mr. Trump will not be re-elected.

If the US does in fact become a gangster state - closer to Russia and China - it may be because there is an underlying sense that liberal democracy (in the form of a representative republic) is no longer relevant in the 21st century.  Difficult to digest all this; depressing as well.     
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Both the Republicans and the Democrats have worked to increase the power of the executive, when they have occupied the Oval Office, it is not accurate that only the Republicans have done this.

The Democrats seem to be increasing their admiration of socialism, and identity politics.  If they don't win the Presidency, it will be because in their search for radicalism they will make themselves unpalatable.  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know.

It is Pelosi and the democrats who don't want impeachment, they want to run against Trump, and if he is impeached they will have to worry about running some unknown.  Better the devil you know, then the devil you don't know.  (again).

Obviously, you do not like Republicans, one should not count derision as a method of analysis.  The political corruption of the major cities of the US, has predominantly been in the hands of democrats, but of course if you want to sensationalize everything in an effort to gain control and sweep away the opposition, well I don't blame you, it is what any 'good' Bolshevik would do.  Put them all up against the wall!
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It's hard to tell if America is moving toward a dictatorial, gangster state, or if it's just frustration and gridlock. There's probably a reason why the electorate is hopeless. They are probably so deeply divided that they can't come to any sort of consensus. Maybe we are moving toward gangsterism, but maybe the traditional system of checks & balances is operating as it should, and the frustration and division is due to gridlock, with the President and Congress cancelling each other. It's hard to say. The President surely inclines toward dictatorship, but he's also facing a lot of Congressional opposition. The main  thing he was successful with getting passed was the tax-cut, and even he now seems to realize that it was a fizzle, and he isn't talking about it much anymore. He's also been successful with getting his appointees onto the Supreme Court, we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out.

There's also a reason for the increasing appeal of socialism and identity politics. The working-class isn't sharing in the  booming economy. They are struggling financially, and no wonder that they're turning to socialism (in the form of Medicare for All).  And they're turning to identity politics because they're alientated from the mainstream Democrats and Republicans, and they're looking for some sort of leaders that they can identify with. 


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The identity politics is the race to claim victim status. College educated minorities are claiming that they are oppressed by what essentially are blue collar working class white males.  The glorious news is that you can be rich and still be "officially" oppressed.  Once upon you had to be poor to be oppressed, but now, if you are gay or lesbian (both of which tend to have greater than average income), or female (a 51% 'minority'), you can claim victim status.   The claim is for "equity" but like George Orwell said, "all animals are equal."  "Some animals are more equal than others.
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Isn't Trump placing himself in jeopardy by telling staff to ignore Congressional Subpoenas?

Aren't those staff placing themselves in danger of being arrested?

What permits the POTUS to ignore Congress?
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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

It's hard to tell if America is moving toward a dictatorial, gangster state, or if it's just frustration and gridlock. There's probably a reason why the electorate is hopeless. They are probably so deeply divided that they can't come to any sort of consensus. Maybe we are moving toward gangsterism, but maybe the traditional system of checks & balances is operating as it should, and the frustration and division is due to gridlock, with the President and Congress cancelling each other. It's hard to say. The President surely inclines toward dictatorship, but he's also facing a lot of Congressional opposition. The main  thing he was successful with getting passed was the tax-cut, and even he now seems to realize that it was a fizzle, and he isn't talking about it much anymore.
It's gridlock for sure, it's better than bloviating.
Tax cut was not a fizzle. Rehashing settled matters isn't profitable, constant media distortions abound. Media is wasting energy by telling people what their tax return looks like, they already know.

Judiciary Rep Jerry Nadler isn't going to change the status of the Mueller report. Nadler should have realized that there might be consequences when he and Democrats tweaked the rules on Executive privilege during the Clinton impeachment. "Negotiated impeachment" is the very reason why Trump can use executive privilege to push back on congress. POTUS can agree to provide some information and answer some questions. Tons of information has been released from the Mueller investigation. In a matter of weeks, even provided a summary for the interim bitching. 
It took hundreds of days for the Obama admin to release Fast and Furious highly redacted documents and it took the courts YEARS to force the release of those highly redacted documents. Nadler is forcing this so the POTUS appears to be breaking the law in time to effect the next election.

Basically people who are already contributors to the economy, possibly small businesses, that's the $50-75K group, got the $1000 dollar tax break that was spelled out in the speeches. Those who earned above that group, more likely bigger economic contributors, saw more return and they are spending in kind-very good for the economy look at the consumer statistics Trump didn't invent these ideas, Clinton used similar "stimulus" to grow jobs during his admin see Robert Reich.
Wages are rising. I'm not going to bore you with links obviously you  have an excellent grasp of the situation. Understanding that disliking a personality makes admitting improvement difficult. If the economic gains are not real, why would the Obama friends try to link it to what HE started while POTUS?


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He's also been successful with getting his appointees onto the Supreme Court, we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out.

There's also a reason for the increasing appeal of socialism and identity politics. The working-class isn't sharing in the  booming economy. They are struggling financially, and no wonder that they're turning to socialism (in the form of Medicare for All).  And they're turning to identity politics because they're alientated from the mainstream Democrats and Republicans, and they're looking for some sort of leaders that they can identify with. 
Did I mention wages are rising for low income people faster than managerial? You can dispute it but I am not seeing the horror show that you speak of in a greater degree than last admin.There is a disparity in the living wage earner's actual ability to live on the current minimum wage. Trump didn't do that. See Reich


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Isn't Trump placing himself in jeopardy by telling staff to ignore Congressional Subpoenas?

Aren't those staff placing themselves in danger of being arrested?

What permits the POTUS to ignore Congress?
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

The identity politics is the race to claim victim status.
LOL YEP
And now congress is a VICTIM LOL Jerry Nadler representin' the representatives. This just gets weirder and weirder. Find the victim for 20 points!

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One can legally debate whether Trump's tax records are relevant for congress to decide on good tax policy.  It is not obvious that Congress has a right to know regarding Trump's tax records for its ordinary legislative dealings.  It definitely has a right to know if it is subpoenaing him for impeachment.  Pelosi has dismissed that so far, as divisive, but if he is going to stonewall congress, then maybe that is the next step.  
If someone ignores a (House) subpoena, the next step is for the Justice Department to enforce it, but Trump is the head of the Executive, including the Justice Department.  So it is not even worthwhile for the House to attempt to enforce the subpoena.  Of course, Trump is claiming Executive privilege for everything, that is not in the constitution, but is something to be decided by the courts.  Trump is kicking the can down the road.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

One can legally debate whether Trump's tax records are relevant for congress to decide on good tax policy.  It is not obvious that Congress has a right to know regarding Trump's tax records for its ordinary legislative dealings.  It definitely has a right to know if it is subpoenaing him for impeachment.  Pelosi has dismissed that so far, as divisive, but if he is going to stonewall congress, then maybe that is the next step. 
Pelosi dismisses it bc the Republicans' approval numbers were in the basement  after the Star investigation and impeachment of Bill Clinton. 
Releasing Trump's tax records are not about tax policy. It's about embarrassing Trump. Democrats believe that 20 year old tax records of the NYT's "Comeback Kid" will hurt Trump. Naive? Out of touch?
Democrats are "dead ringers" like a Victorian accidentally buried before death scratching at the coffin,buried under ground. 
All roads from Mueller lead to FBI/DNC and international COLLUSION. Mueller hired Fusion GPS to get Trump dirt, the dirt wasn't dirty enough or accurate. Mueller proceeded to obtain FISA warrants on evidence was "Derogatory" that is basically -bull sh*t . Derogatory evidence is a dis-qualifier for warrants in FISA court. Fusion GPS has rehired Steele to continue "looking for a crime." 

It is important to note that the FBI swore on Oct. 21, 2016, to the FISA judges that Steele’s “reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings” and the FBI has determined him to be “reliable” and was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to their informant, who simultaneously worked for Fusion GPS, the firm paid by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Clinton campaign to find Russian dirt on Trump.

That’s a pretty remarkable declaration in Footnote 5 on Page 15 of the FISA application, since Kavalec apparently needed just a single encounter with Steele at State to find one of his key claims about Trump-Russia collusion was blatantly false.

Inher typed summary, Kavalec wrotethat Steele told her the Russians had constructed a “technical/human operation run out of Moscow targeting the election” that recruited emigres in the United States to “do hacking and recruiting.”

She quoted Steele as saying, “Payments to those recruited are made out of the Russian Consulate in Miami,” according to a copy of her summary memo obtained under open records litigation by the conservative group Citizens United. Kavalec bluntly debunked that assertion in a bracketed comment: “It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami.”

Kavalec, two days later and well before the FISA warrant was issued, forwarded her typed summary to other government officials. The State Department has redacted the names and agencies of everyone she alerted. It is unlikely that her concerns failed to reach the FBI.

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If someone ignores a (House) subpoena, the next step is for the Justice Department to enforce it, but Trump is the head of the Executive, including the Justice Department.  So it is not even worthwhile for the House to attempt to enforce the subpoena.  Of course, Trump is claiming Executive privilege for everything, that is not in the constitution, but is something to be decided by the courts.  Trump is kicking the can down the road.
No Trump isn't claiming executive privilege for everything, that's totally false. That is what OBAMA did and I just showed you how with the Fast and the Furious documents. You completely turned it around and made your preferred truth factual. 
Trump wants this behind us, kicking what bloody can? 
You mean meeting democrats at their demented self serving level?
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When you mention "demented self serving level" I think of Trump, but for some reason, I don't think that is what you mean.
of course Trump wants this behind him, he wants it to go away as in wave a magic wand and voom! presto chango it is gone.  Until that happens he will kick the can down the road.

If I had been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs, I would want it behind me too.  Or not paying taxes or engaging in fraud with Trump University.  Take your pick.

no, that is not totally false, it is totally an exaggeration.  Trump is blazing new ground in his call for executive privilege.
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