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You can always tell when a politician's lying, his lips are moving!
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Not true, one can lie by not saying something, that is why courts have one swear to tell the _whole_ truth, nothing but the truth.

But in speeches, one cannot say _everything_, there is something always left out.  And often when a politician "flip-flops" it is because they have been deeply engaged in an issue, learned something new, and have come to a new perspective.  It is not that casually throw away their old opinion, and lightly adopt something new.

It is the sign of a bad politician that one can't learn anything over time.
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Piffle!!!

Politicians the world over are renowned for telling outright lies. Your President is, IMHO, the most accomplished of them all-ever.

Have a look at some of the US media fact checkers-the score that Trump's attained is rediculous, but he keeps on keeping on. 
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He does not even TRY to tell the truth. Everyone knows he is lying about lots of things and always have known.
Trump has managed to lie to the LIARS with alacrity since the disdain of liberal media for the general public is well established. He never PRETENDED to be good. 
Unlike some virtue_ signaling_ pant _suits have; Can you still hear her calling from the woods?
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Quote Galatians VI (King James Version): Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The American people elected him, so......

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Galatians VI (King James Version): Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

The American people elected him, so......


Very true. And so let all the liberals cry, they never had it so good. This is simply a matter of admitting the dishonest nature of public communications, politicians being frequent liars wish they thought of lying as a way of telling the "truth."
 


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Trump Plans to Send National Guard to the Mexican Border - The New ... 

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18 hours ago - WASHINGTON — The White House said Tuesday night that President Trump planned to deploy the National Guard to the southern border to confront what it called a growing threat of illegal immigrants, drugs and crime from Central America after the president for the third consecutive day warned about the......

I thought that the State Governors controlled the National Guard within their state boundaries, but now I find that the POTUS may mobilise the National Guard also.

Some of the State Governors are already bucking Washington's control over things like Illegal Immigration, so what if the State Governor countermands the president's mobilisation order in relation to the Mexican/US border? Or does the President over-rule the Governors? 

If the ICE and Border Control can't seal the border from illegal refugees, I suppose the National Guard is the next option.


Even Califonia's gov Brown has agreed to cooperate so far some are complaining. 
The Natl Guard won't arrest people just help ICE with tracking, visuals and vehicle maintenance so they say.
Under the U.S. Constitution, each state's National Guard unit is controlled by the governor in time of peace but can be called up for federal duty by the presidentThe Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids U.S. troops from being deployed on American soil for law enforcement.Jan 12, 2007

Governors lose in power struggle over National Guard - Tenth ... 

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I've removed one of my posts as I've found the details on the Posse Comitatus Act 1878, and the Insurrection Act of 1807, which legitimises the use of US Army and Air Force in law enforcement roles, under certain circumstances.

If the POTUS deploys the National Guard, the Dept. of Defence foots the bill.

I find it a bit confusing that National Guard comes under the control of Sec Def, can be mobilised by a state governor without reference to Sec Def, or the POTUS. 

I read today that Trump has "asked" certain governors to send National Guard troops to the border, one wants more information and the governor or Oregon has refused.

In the background of all of this is the fact that illegal immigration has dropped in the past twelve months, a fact that Trump has claimed credit for.

That being the case, POTUS lacks sufficient reason to deploy National Guard, under the provisions of Posse Comitatus, or the Insurrection Act, and has no authority to do so.

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Quote The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I've removed one of my posts as I've found the details on the Posse Comitatus Act 1878, and the Insurrection Act of 1807, which legitimises the use of US Army and Air Force in law enforcement roles, under certain circumstances.

If the POTUS deploys the National Guard, the Dept. of Defence foots the bill.
Not as a rule of law. You picked up on liberal talking points. Trump is saying since you (congress) didn't fully fund the wall in the omnibus bill, then squeeze the money out of DOD and don't use money allocated for the "wall"

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I find it a bit confusing that National Guard comes under the control of Sec Def, can be mobilised by a state governor without reference to Sec Def, or the POTUS.
Natl Guard is under governor's control not DOD in peacetime. The purpose is for use during emergencies and natural disasters. 

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I read today that Trump has "asked" certain governors to send National Guard troops to the border, one wants more information and the governor or Oregon has refused.
why "asks" ? 
No one refused a request but Oregon shot her mouth off, and? 

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

In the background of all of this is the fact that illegal immigration has dropped in the past twelve months, a fact that Trump has claimed credit for.

It has not dropped. There are more people being taken in to custody. Soon there will be zero tolerance policy. Maybe Mexico will stop encouraging people to illegally enter US. Mexico is having it's own immigration crisis, it's Central Americans making up the majority of illegals stopped at the border. Who were fully aware of the policy "Catch and Release" which turned them loose in the US.  No longer the US policy so it hopefully won't be worth it anymore. Geronimo Gutierrez, Mexican ambassador is an impressive politician. I hope he is on the level bc I get the sense that he is a good leader. 


Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

That being the case, POTUS lacks sufficient reason to deploy National Guard, under the provisions of Posse Comitatus, or the Insurrection Act, and has no authority to do so.
What is the case? You say a drop in illegal immigration? CNN says this? How about a thousand a day!

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act
Quote The President may employ the armed forces... to... restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition... the President determines that... domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order... or [to] suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy if such... a condition... so hinders the execution of the laws... that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law... or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.[7]

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You have posted sufficient reason for the president to act. Public health, for a start and a multitude of US laws being broken including human trafficking.


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Quote What is the case? You say a drop in illegal immigration? CNN says this? How about a thousand a day!

Yes, I see that there has been an increase over the past month.

Quote No one refused a request but Oregon shot her mouth off, and?

Yes, Oregon refused.

Quote  "serious public health emergency"
from the Act. Are you saying that there's a "serious public health emergency" along the border?

Quote and a multitude of US laws being broken including human trafficking.

Read this in conjunction with the Act. I agree that illegal immigration has outgrown the efforts of Border Control (ICE), and I've said that Trump has a right to secure his borders. But whether or not this situation falls within the meaning of the Posse Comitatus Act or the Insurrection Act, is a matter of argument before a court. I don't think it does.

Quote  impedes the course of justice under those laws.

This could be the saving grace. The people illegally crossing the border and the people who organise/help them
are breaking US laws, and are beyond the control/resources of ICE.

I remind you that I support his move in relation to borders, he has a duty to secure them.

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Oregon was never asked. But she did grab some headlines by peeing her pants lolSick

Quote Are you saying that there's a "serious public health emergency" along the border?

We have rules about inoculations at the very least. Have you ever been allowed to travel without your passport and inoculations? Undocumented people are a serious public health emergency. Wandering around our cities after living without any standard of disease prevention.


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Quote We have rules about inoculations at the very least. Have you ever been allowed to travel without your passport and inoculations? Undocumented people are a serious public health emergency. Wandering around our cities after living without any standard of disease prevention.

Paranoia?

How about all the "Born in the USA" people who don't, for one reason or another, have their vaccinations?

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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote We have rules about inoculations at the very least. Have you ever been allowed to travel without your passport and inoculations? Undocumented people are a serious public health emergency. Wandering around our cities after living without any standard of disease prevention.

Paranoia?

How about all the "Born in the USA" people who don't, for one reason or another, have their vaccinations?


The word "paranoid" does not shame me. LOL Yes! I'm paranoid about weird South Americans germs that don't behave. I wasn't inoculated for Cholera or Dengue Hemorrhagic Fever and I don't think I should have to be since it's not a health concern here. 

As far as people not getting vaccines -I say if one person has to we all should. Knowing or at least expecting a link to be found between Autism and vaccines. 
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Quote I say if one person has to we all should. Knowing or at least expecting a link to be found between Autism and vaccines.

Our government is cracking down on vaccinations. No needle, no Child Care Subsidy.

Getting back to the OP (remember that?) POTUS has - 
  1. started a Trade War, with global implications;
  2. issued sanctions over Russia, while at the same time saying that he wants to be friends;
  3. said he will withdraw troops from Syria, and contradicted himself a short time later (I think, after advice from DoD).
Each of these can/will come back to bite him on the bum.

China has imposed duties on the import of certain US products.

Russia laughs at Trump, but would like to sit down in Washington and talk to him.

Can ISIS be defeated, once and for all?

Can Al Qaeda be wiped out, once and for all?

Having cut the head from the dragon (Bin Laden), does the US need to stay in Afghanistan and Syria?

Donald Trump has dumped some of his most reliable advisors, choosing instead to go it alone. He shoots from the lip without carefully thinking out the ramifications of what he's about to say, and then reneges.

Then add in all of the domestic issues with which he's confronted. He's trying to run the USA like it's his own private company-it don't work that way pal!

Many pundits are predicting that he'll be a one term president, I think perhaps they're right.



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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote I say if one person has to we all should. Knowing or at least expecting a link to be found between Autism and vaccines.

Our government is cracking down on vaccinations. No needle, no Child Care Subsidy.

Getting back to the OP (remember that?) POTUS has - 
  1. started a Trade War, with global implications;
  2. issued sanctions over Russia, while at the same time saying that he wants to be friends;
  3. said he will withdraw troops from Syria, and contradicted himself a short time later (I think, after advice from DoD).

Trade war could be dicey, will have to see how that shakes out. Some action should be taken against the theft of intellectual property, IP protection. Theft results in new competition that is already a kind of trade war.
China is lacking in know-how for whatever reason high tech is still something they would rather steal than develop. This effects other countries too, forcing pull backs in communications which are limiting development of new technologies. Companies are rushing to manufacturing stage prematurely to avoid being under cut by Chinese theft. No technology or personal research is exempt. Maybe some see this as a just action entailing international commercial relations, or that China deserves a third world exemption. 

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Each of these can/will come back to bite him on the bum.

China has imposed duties on the import of certain US products.

Oh well too bad. China sells a lot of crap that no one needs. China won't out last their need for jobs.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Russia laughs at Trump, but would like to sit down in Washington and talk to him.
Russia laughs and Trump knows the game. He didn't start it though neither did Putin. Have you seen the news showing protests in Russia against Putin? This is good YA?
Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Can ISIS be defeated, once and for all?

Can Al Qaeda be wiped out, once and for all?

Having cut the head from the dragon (Bin Laden), does the US need to stay in Afghanistan and Syria?
I think we will stay, who can say from should?

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Donald Trump has dumped some of his most reliable advisors, choosing instead to go it alone. He shoots from the lip without carefully thinking out the ramifications of what he's about to say, and then reneges.
This is a thing in flux, like the Apprentice TV show. The individual members will never be as important as the machine. I'm not sure that is different from previous political figures.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Then add in all of the domestic issues with which he's confronted. He's trying to run the USA like it's his own private company-it don't work that way pal!

Many pundits are predicting that he'll be a one term president, I think perhaps they're right.
Just shocked to the core that you subscribe to that belief/wish. No possible future with Mrs. Clinton has made me yearn for her leadership.






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Quote  This is good YA?

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Syria's Asad has apparently used gas on his own people. The world is outraged.

Trump promises retaliation.

HINT:
1. Send in a Seal or Delta team and either-
a. arrest him for crimes against humanity; or
b. terminate with extreme prejudice.
2. Drop a few bombs on his administration's office buildings-target his senior people.
3. Go and play a round of golf.


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Quote Just shocked to the core that you subscribe to that belief/wish. No possible future with Mrs. Clinton has made me yearn for her leadership.

Trying to be as fair and unbiased as I can, I believe that there is a chance that in fact he will be a one term President.

He's alienated, to some degree at least, most of the US friends around the world with his withdrawal from the Global Warming Agreement, the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement and his administration is like a revolving door of folks being fired and some replaced by like minded people.

Many in the Republican Party have turned against him, and his own close confidants are tearing their hair out over his to-ing and fro-ing on major issues.

Surely the electorate can see that it has made a mistake.
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Oh, I have confidence that the Democrats will screw it up somehow.  They may make it so that the only thing worse than Trump being re-elected, would be for Trump to not get re-elected.

Do you mean, they can see that it is mistake like a second term for Barack Obama was a mistake?  Or a second term of George W Bush was a mistake?  What gives you confidence that the American public can see a mistake when it is hanging out there, in front of their nose?
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Looks like Trump managed a decent coalition to deal with Assad's chemical facilities. 
I dare say you don't have your finger on the pulse of Trump's close confidants any better than you know what the world powers will do alongside Trump.
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It is good that President Trump got the British and the French to buy into an intervention (especially, after his sparring with the Russians via tweets last week).

It is like Winston Churchill said, "You can count on Americans to do the right thing, after all other options fail."

It is also interesting that the President wants to go back to the Trans-Pacific Trade Agreement, we (Americans) should emphasize that he is now doing the right thing, we should not harp on the fact that he did the wrong thing in the first place.  I hope the Trade Agreement can throw him a bone so that he can claim that he "got a deal," whether there is substantive advantages negotiated or not.
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The world probably will the US back into the Trade Agreement. I'm not sure why he changed his mind.
It was actually Obama who abandoned TPP in 2016, he never even tried to get it through congress. Now so much has developed between the 11 participating countries that maybe it should just stay as is until the US is invited again. 
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Based on the President's erratic behaviour, I'd say there's no guarantee that the US will be invited back into the Trans Pacific Trade Partnership.

With the stroke of a pen, he withdrew the US from the pact, causing a lot of problems for the existing members. Now that they've shown that they can survive without the US, he wants back in-on his terms.

If the forum permitted it, I'd say right here and now what I'd tell him, and the second word is "off".
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The US, UK and France have launched attacks on selected sites in Syria, in response to the chemical attack by Assad on his own people.

Well done, these crimes against humanity must not go unpunished.

The question is now, how will Russian and Iran retaliate?

Donald Trump says one day he and Putin get along well, and the next he goes head to head with Putin in Syria. And it's about time Putin was put back in his place.

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I have a friend who is a self-acclaimed "angry Irishman," he has a lot of law enforcement in his family tree.  He says that police often have a punishment attitude.  I think there is much virtue to wanting to punishment bad guys.  I think liberals put too much emphasis on reform.  Punishment is not only a message to the malcontent, but a message for all others in the future.

I sympathize with the punishment mentality and I think Donald Trump is despicable, but there is a question of utility.  Is it important to punish Donald Trump for the sake of just punishing him?  Or do you think punishment will actually make the situation better?  I am not talking about the slow workings of the Law, that will get him in the end, if it is due.  More likely it will get to his family, and he will be forced to step down to prevent, say, his son-in-law to be crucified.  Is it important to get an ounce of flesh for the Pacific Agreement?? or would it be better for things to be resumed in a smooth manner?  Should we be satisfied if Donald Trump gets what he deserves in due time?  (which I assume he will), or should we try to kill him through a thousand cuts?  Making things messy, like a constitutional crisis?  I say, if the Don decides to pull the trigger and fire the Independent Counsel, then he brings it on himself, and he creates the mess.  Otherwise, let us have things progress as they should, and let the chips fall where they may, we should have some confidence in the US legal system, it is not one thing that might trip up Trump, there are so many angles, from a legal perspective, for the Don and/or those around him.

Or should we just punish Trump in any and every way we can regardless of who else gets hurt?
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IMO, Donald Trump is delivering the thousand cuts to himself.

He's the most unpresidential president I've ever seen.

Perpetual lies, reversals on policy, insults to all in sundry-they add up over time, as I think he'll find.

If Mueller doesn't get him, the electorate will.
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The left and the media bemoaned that George W Bush 'stole' the election in Florida from Gore, and vowed they would win next time, but George W beat John Kerry with an even bigger margin.  There are other things that might trip up Donald Trump than Mueller, but I would not count on the election.  Nobody thought that Trump could get elected in the first place, so why have faith in the pundits now?  I am not saying that the pundits are not sincerely trying.  I am saying that people are more "conservative" than the media, but the media is convinced of its own infallibility, its own "rightness" even when that "rightness" is to the left of a majority of people.
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What a spectacle! The so-called Leader of the Free World and an ex government agency head having a very public sh*tfight via social media.

I don't know much about Comey, but he comes across as a reasonable and decent human being fighting for his own reputation, and perhaps those of his ex employees who have also been criticised by the President.

Regardless of the contents of Comey's book, Trump, if he had a brain, he would quietly ignore it, and get on with business. But he can't do that, reinforcing Comey's statement that he's not fit to be President, by his childish name calling, he's detached from the real world and probably sees himself as invincible. That he chooses to govern by social media rather than traditional channels displays, IMO, a lack of maturity.


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Wow! John McCain hates Trump more than toyomotor

Senator John McCain cites 'stay up late watching Diamondbacks night games' as the reason for his erratic questioning of James Comey. USA TODAY

As one journalist put it, Sen. John McCain's exchange with ex-FBI director James Comey broke Twitter on Thursday.

The Arizona Republican spent most of his allotted time for questioning Comey to ask about the FBI investigation into Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server while she was secretary of State. But his questioning wasn't exactly coming out in the most coherent manner.

“So she was clearly involved in this whole situation where, fake news — as you just described it, is a big deal — took place,” McCain said, referring to Clinton. “You’re going to have to help me out here. In other words, we’re complete, the investigation of anything former Secretary Clinton had to do with the campaign is over, and we don’t have to worry about it anymore?”

Comey replied, "I'm a little confused, senator."

Twitter users were quick to point out that they too didn't quite get what McCain was getting at, prompting McCain to issue a statement: "I get the sense from Twitter that my line of questioning today went over people's heads. Maybe going forward, I shouldn't stay up late watching the Diamondbacks night games."

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From what you say above, I don't see McCain as hating Trump.  He may hate him, although if McCain can forgive his captors, I dare say he can probably can forgive Trump.  "Forgive him" does not mean that you can't fight what Trump is doing until one's dying breath.  Trump is a mistake, and it does not make him any less of a mistake that he insists everybody must be loyal to the Don.

John McCain is old and has terminal cancer, I think we should accept his excuse, and move on.  Soon, we will have to move on without him, and at least for me, he will be dearly missed.
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