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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

From what you say above, I don't see McCain as hating Trump.  He may hate him, although if McCain can forgive his captors, I dare say he can probably can forgive Trump.  "Forgive him" does not mean that you can't fight what Trump is doing until one's dying breath.  Trump is a mistake, and it does not make him any less of a mistake that he insists everybody must be loyal to the Don.

John McCain is old and has terminal cancer, I think we should accept his excuse, and move on.  Soon, we will have to move on without him, and at least for me, he will be dearly missed.

OK fransicosan, no bad intent on the Senator. I hope he is peaceful and pain free.

He does hate Trump... let's not speculate as we do about Trump voters and their IQ's. He's got Comey on Twitter and he put the Twitter-verse to sleep. Seems he wanted to publicly exonerate Mrs Clinton to infuriate Trump. You think Trump is mean? Do you see what average jackasses say?
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Comey is not the toast of the town by any account. 
All this "could have done that" "might have done that" bla bla bla!He is a maniac and more FBI LOSERS and LEAKERS!
*NOTE this link is to a FOX News story. The website is actually National Public Radio, who apparently will not write stories that make Trump appear lucid.




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I don't hate Trump, I dislike his public persona.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I don't hate Trump, I dislike his public persona.
And you are really ok with whatever flies about him you want the bad things to be true you are hoping that he really ****s everything up. You will be disappointed.
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Quote And you are really ok with whatever flies about him you want the bad things to be true you are hoping that he really ****s everything up. You will be disappointed.

You couldn't be much further from the truth.

Personally, I like American people that I've met, and don't forget that the Free World has a dog in this fight. What ever external moves Trump makes, it can and will have a flow-on effect to the west, be it military, economic or whatever.

I'd be happy to see a US President making the world a safer place, and making all of the right decisions for his own countrymen as well. For the umpteenth time, I don't hate Trump, just as I didn't hate Nixon or Bill Clinton, but I simply don't like their public personas.

Presidents like George "Dubya" Bush, I was ambivalent about.


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Jeremiah was a bullfrog!
Was a good friend of mine,
never understood a single word he said,
but sure liked to drink his wine.
He sure had some mighty fine wine.

(Three Dog Night)

Please don't just give the citation, give the quote too.
(Else everyone will just remember the bullfrog.)


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Quote Please don't just give the citation, give the quote too.

The idea was that you would know the Bible reference, or look it up.

But as you don't appear able to do that, the full passage is below.

Quote Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: (Jeremiah 5:21)

A modern translation of this could be ,"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

What I'm getting at is that sometimes people are too close to the problem and don't actually see it. Can't see wood for the trees, and that sort of thing.

At times I'm subjected to a certain amount of vitriol because of my opinions of Donald Trump. I form my opinions from about ten different on-line American newspapers that I read every morning, local newspapers and television reports. The American newspapers were picked at random, and, to me, don't appear to be too biased.

I reject accusations that I hate Trump, I don't, but I also don't see much about him that I like either as a president, or as a man. Now, if all of my sources  are biased against Trump, then I would be guilty of being biased based upon those sources and my belief in them. I don't regard all of them as biased.

As a politician, my belief is that Trump is a failure on many counts, diplomacy being perhaps his major fail. Indecision could well be the second.

Insult me as often as you like, it's water off a ducks back, but until I see something which changes my mind, my opinions will remain the same, that is, as long as I'm entitled to an opinion.

Now, getting back to the OP, I'm able to side with Trump to a small degree, there's so much going on around him which could well be to his detriment that I could understand his being distracted, and I'm referring to the Commission of Enquiry, the NoKo situation, his trade and climate policies. All have the ability to detract his decision making in other areas because it seems that he doesn't take advice from his cabinet very often.

Hiring and firing advisors with such regularity doesn't help.


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No, I understand that you don't hate Trump, you don't know Trump, how can you hate him?  HOWEVER, as far as I am concerned, if I did know him, I feel that I would agree with the blessing of the Czar in Fiddler on the Roof,  "God bless the Czar and keep him, as far away as possible."

But, I think, toyomotor, that you have the luxury of being on the outside, we in the United States have to make the best of things.  The media pretends that it is on the outside too.  But overwhelmingly mainstream media votes democrat, and reports democrat.  It is interesting because a Republican is usually called by media, a conservative, whereas a democrat is usually a democrat (not a liberal or radical).  If you are on the left, you are an ordinary, whereas if you are on the right, you're a fire breathing conservative.  How much are radicals portrayed by liberal as ordinary citizens, well the pragmatic philosopher John Dewey, thought Trotsky was a great guy when he met him.  

Trump however, is not a conservative himself, although many in his cabinet are drawn from their ranks, and that is where his loyalty comes from.  Nobody who hung out at Studio 54 in the seventies, should be considered a conservative.  Although Trump doesn't drink or do drugs.  

Look at all the attention media is giving to Michael Cohen, are they merely debating about whether he is going to flip?  or are they trying to feed the fire, which of course, if it gets bigger profits them media?  Of course, Trump is probably harder on his "friends" and "allies" than he sometimes is for his rivals (China, Russia).  But even that makes a good story, and something for them to play up.


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Thank you, you're quite right. Being on the outside means that I have to rely on the media for news and views on overseas matters.

Being on the outside, I also haven't the benefit of knowing whether particular journalists or media outlets are biased or not, nor do I have a handle on the things that your president does properly and that don't get media coverage.

I understand and accept the fact that the media is adept at throwing people under buses when it suits them. Big, heavy, fast moving buses.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Quote Please don't just give the citation, give the quote too.

The idea was that you would know the Bible reference, or look it up.

But as you don't appear able to do that, the full passage is below.

Quote Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not: (Jeremiah 5:21)

A modern translation of this could be ,"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
That's you. You have been media-brainwashed. 

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

What I'm getting at is that sometimes people are too close to the problem and don't actually see it. Can't see wood for the trees, and that sort of thing.

At times I'm subjected to a certain amount of vitriol because of my opinions of Donald Trump. I form my opinions from about ten different on-line American newspapers that I read every morning, local newspapers and television reports. The American newspapers were picked at random, and, to me, don't appear to be too biased.
You are the victim of vitriol? Pot meet Kettle. Do you think you understand America better bc you live in Australia and watch CNN?

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

I reject accusations that I hate Trump, I don't,
YES YOU DO and it's your perogative. Trying to make the hate fit the facts is your problem.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

but I also don't see much about him that I like either as a president, or as a man. Now, if all of my sources  are biased against Trump, then I would be guilty of being biased based upon those sources and my belief in them. I don't regard all of them as biased.
They are all absolutely biased, pro Trump is biased, anti-Trump is biased. There is no Walter Winchell on CNN.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

As a politician, my belief is that Trump is a failure on many counts, diplomacy being perhaps his major fail. Indecision could well be the second.
He makes major decisions frequently. Obama is a good example of a feckless president.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Insult me as often as you like, it's water off a ducks back, but until I see something which changes my mind, my opinions will remain the same, that is, as long as I'm entitled to an opinion.
You are insulting at times and it is returned in kind.

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Now, getting back to the OP, I'm able to side with Trump to a small degree, there's so much going on around him which could well be to his detriment that I could understand his being distracted, and I'm referring to the Commission of Enquiry, the NoKo situation, his trade and climate policies. All have the ability to detract his decision making in other areas because it seems that he doesn't take advice from his cabinet very often.

Hiring and firing advisors with such regularity doesn't help.


Consider for 3 seconds the opposition, fake news and leakers in the White House.
Now tell me that it's shocking how many people have fired.
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It shocking how many people have fired.  There, I told you.  It is true that he has gotten rid of a lot of people, some perhaps for good reason.

If the news is "fake," it is because it is not relevant, not because it is not factual.  It is factual.  and you know, while for some Trump can do no good, for the no-nothings, Trump can do no evil.  It is interesting that nothing in his life has ever been his fault.  Either it is blamed on someone else, or it didn't happen.  Theologically, I don't think Donald Trump can be redeemed, because he cannot admit ever making a mistake.  But that is between him and his God.  He ran his company into the ground, I am worried about him doing that to the American system.  Is that a real concern?  How many people invested in Trump's company, before he ran it into the ground, walking away with a 67 million dollar salary.  He has done it before, just to spite people, and by George I really don't see why he wouldn't do it again.
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Quote You are insulting at times and it is returned in kind.

If that is the case, I sincerely apologise. That has never been my intention.

No, I don't watch CNN, and I don't think for one minute that I understand the US better because I live elsewhere. Simply, there many things about American culture that I don't understand, and I comment on them.

Finally, I don't hate Trump.

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toyomotor, I'm very glad that you don't watch CNN.
I don't understand why the media has become the monster that it is now. The world is too fast and too strange to be believed and apologies for being uncivil. 

 
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Part of it is the 24 hour, continuous News cycle, they never shut up, oh sure there are "informative" show on CNN as well, but they are an extension of the news.  My mother is addicted to CNN, she needs to learn how to "let go" for awhile.  Porn stars are relevant to campaign contributions, but to drag it out....  It would really be nice to have the presentation of the problem and presentation of the solution at the same time.  An introduction to an issue (that is a bona fide issue), and the conclusion (or at least minor, momentary conclusion), at the same time.  It would be nice to hit with a clean blow, instead of trying to kill with a thousand cuts of a butter knife.  But since Donald Trump never ever admits anything, the media is lost in looking for a reaction or a response.  Or rather, they often get a reaction, but not anything proportional, to what they say.  Always a denial or an attack, often non sequitur.  We have met the enemy! and they are not Russians or Chinese, or even North Koreans, or Isis, they are the press who dare to criticize the fashion of the Emperor.
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Quote I don't understand why the media has become the monster that it is now.

Bad news, for someone, sells newspapers. Sensationalise something so it appears to be more than it is and it will arouse interest.

I still haven't got over those reports on DJT's ice cream eating-world news!!!
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Candace Owens dared to push back on the Black Lives Matter crowd. It made news bc Kanye West defender her and they both slammed democrats for the thought police tactics. Some amusing observations in the video.


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Well good for her!
btw, who is she??

The clip didn't really get into who she was, what she said, or what he said??

The "black commentator" on Fox said she was no Thomas Sowell, and I am sure she isn't,
but then again, Thomas Sowell was once not Thomas Sowell (conservative black economist,
often disparaged by the left for being an "uncle Tom.")  Is this 'the beginning of a beautiful
relationship,' or is it her 15 minutes of fame??  Good luck to her and more the power to her
for standing up to the activists' intimidation tactics.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candace_Owens

Well she is a partisan and was part of Trump's campaign. That doesn't mean her values are not truly conservative. Is every partisan pundit/activist in it for the money ? Her public history is at the link. BLM people disrupted an event where she spoke at it's here:




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Angela Merkel:
 
twice the man Trump will ever be.Wink
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It is for zee Germans to judge how Angela Merkel is doing.  Is she acting in the best interests of her country?  How much do those best interests involve humanitarian concerns?  How much do those humanitarian concerns involve guilt over the Nazi era?

Candace Owens is able to say things that a white would not be able to say, because they would immediately be denounced as racist, which in itself (that a black could say it and a white couldn't) is also racist.  What she says is fairly shallow and obvious, unless you are BLM or the Rainbow Coalition or so forth, in other words, someone with an agenda, an axe to grind on a racial basis.  I suspect that in time, if she keeps with it her analysis will get more sophisticated and deepen.  I don't know if she is a conservative or not, blacks and hispanics do naturally seem to be more conservative than whites in their values.  Their values tend to be working class, except where they have been derailed by 'victimhood.'
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Perhaps one of the most important issues confronting Trump and associates is getting their stories straight.

Trump has insisted that he did not have carnal connection with Stormy Daniels.

He's said that he had no knowledge of the $130,000 payment made to Daniels by Cohen, his lawyer.

His newest lawyer, Rudi Giuliani  claims that Trump reimbursed Cohen for that payment.

Trump now says, "Oh yeah. That payment."

As far as I'm concerned, if Trump had a night with a porn actress, so what. As long as it doesn't interfere with his decision making as President, it's his business.

What is likely to bring him undone is the multitude of lies that he's told, about almost everything, and the fact that his payment to Stormy Daniels possibly should have been reported as it took place during his campaign, and was related to the campaign.

Every time Trump and associates open their mouths lately, it creates further problems for Trump with the Meuller Investigation.

And, contrary to Trumps assertions:-
1. He cannot fire whomever he wants; and
2. He should know that to be a good liar, one must have a good memory. He hasn't.
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Trump again changes story on Stormy Daniels payoff, disputing Giuliani and confusing his defense

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President Trump further confused his legal strategy on Friday and undermined his credibility, disputing an account from his attorney Rudolph W. Giuliani that Trump paid $130,000 in hush money to porn star Stormy Daniels, just a day after he’d confirmed the remarks.


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I see in the news that Trump has addressed the American gun lobby with his support claiming that a non-gun policy doesn't work. In particular he refers to a London hospital as being a 'war zone of stabbings'. It is true there has been a spate of knife attacks - there has been a few of them in my home town alone but Police are keen to point out these are not random attacks but conflicts between people known to each other - it is also true that the overall figures for violence are still below what they have been in the recent past. Further, Police are adopting a harsh policy on those found carrying weapons. But a war zone? Oh come on Trump - I walk about my home town at all hours without fear of drive by shootings or muggings at gunpoint, and for that matter, I've only once in my life been under threat from a guy holding a knife and he got told to put it away by another member of his community.
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

I see in the news that Trump has addressed the American gun lobby with his support claiming that a non-gun policy doesn't work. In particular he refers to a London hospital as being a 'war zone of stabbings'. It is true there has been a spate of knife attacks - there has been a few of them in my home town alone but Police are keen to point out these are not random attacks but conflicts between people known to each other - it is also true that the overall figures for violence are still below what they have been in the recent past. Further, Police are adopting a harsh policy on those found carrying weapons. But a war zone? Oh come on Trump - I walk about my home town at all hours without fear of drive by shootings or muggings at gunpoint, and for that matter, I've only once in my life been under threat from a guy holding a knife and he got told to put it away by another member of his community.


Except Trump didn't say it, London surgeons who haved served as medical officers compared London's ER to a "war zone"


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Well said Caldrail.

Sorry, an omission of THE fact in question? Not well said.

It was based on comments to the BBC Radio 4 Today programme by Dr Martin Griffiths, lead surgeon at Barts Health NHS Trust, making a comparison to Camp Bastion in Afghanistan.
He told the Today programme: "Some of my military colleagues have described their practice here as similar to being at Bastion."
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/05/04/donald-trump-says-london-hospital-like-war-zone-horrible-stabbing/
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Regardless, Trump did say it when addressing the NRA. Just as he said that if Parisians had been armed, the jihadist attacks would not have happened.
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mote.... beam.....

The Trump administration is hard on America's friends, and easy on America's enemies.  Donald Trump as the first parrot repeated something he probably heard on Fox News.  Opinion is not knowledge, even if it happens to be true opinion, (which it must be for Trump, because it is his).  "War zone" probably has equally been said about New Orleans or L.A. or N.Y.  But of course at NRA meeting, he is just feeding them the scary picture of crime in big cities, so those examples would not be counter evidence but would feed the fear of small town people.  To them, what is true in London is equally true with NY LA, NO, etc.
They don't live there, and don't want to.

They have a point, but Trump is doing them no favors by feeding their paranoia, instead of allaying it, working to minimize it, and its causes.  That does not mean that kissing up to the cities and doing what they want, will do anything for the rural and suburban America.  The media, based in the cities, does not as a whole have an appreciation for that.  Trump is a demagogue, but there are concrete reasons why some people choose to support him.  He may be parroting them, but nobody else really is answering them. 

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I've just read in some US on-line newspapers that trump has formally withdrawn from the Iran Nuclear Arms Agreement.

NATO allies are now scrambling to keep the deal in place, regardless of the US.

Trump is making the US more and more isolated from the international community by withdrawing from trade agreements, climate control pacts and now arms control. His reneging in these agreements has North Korea worried, and properly so, that Trump's word cannot be trusted. This does not bode well for the North Korea/US talks due very soon.

As Franciscosan writes, Trump treats his enemies poorly, and his friends even worse, can anyone guess the outcome of this attitude?
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