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Please document Donald Trump's taxes.

But, you are probably right, he would have gone bankrupt the first time, but the banks wouldn't pull the trigger.  The rest of the time (most of the time), he was playing around with other people's money and going bankrupt with that.  Is that better or worse?  Same carelessness, but no responsibility.

As far as Trump's moral bankruptcy is concerned, that is a whole other story.  I am not sure that the democrats can come up with a viable alternative, because they seem to be wedded to identity politics and intersectionality.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Donald Trump's creditors (banks) decided he was worth more alive to them, then dead, and so they did not call in his debts.  He has gone bankrupt 4 or 5 times, although really it was only the first and maybe second time that it happened with his own money. 
Word to fransicosan, Trump was never personally bankrupt, it was business bankruptcies sorry MSNBC.
Please document Trump's personal bankruptcy. 
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Donald Trump's creditors (banks) decided he was worth more alive to them, then dead, and so they did not call in his debts.  He has gone bankrupt 4 or 5 times, although really it was only the first and maybe second time that it happened with his own money.  Any "normal" person would be embarrassed by the whole mess and jumped out the window, Trump is not a normal person, but that doesn't mean that his brand of craziness doesn't work for him.  The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual only deals with mental states that are "negative" in some sense.  If your abnormal mental state is functional or hyper functional, you probably will never be diagnosed, which might be a good thing from a personal perspective, (might).  There has been a change in the DSM over the years as new diagnoses become him, and others fall by the wayside.  Once upon a time, a kid was dismissed as squirrelly now has to have medical intervention as ADD (attention deficit disorder).  Trump is someone who at least is obviously dyslexic, but instead of crying out 'woe is me!' he has adapted and has developed other strengths, that, frankly, (other) politicians do not have. psychiatry and psychology have a place in society, but that place is far from infallible, and yes, non-political.
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Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

  If I went bankrupt I'd be pretty poor. County court judgements and debts would mean ongoing issues in daily life. But I would still have a roof over my head.

If you own the property, you probably wouldn't.

In satisfying creditors, the court would order that your house, car and any other saleable items be seized and sold by auction, unless of course you somehow raised money to pay your bills.

As I understand it, Trump personally has never been bankrupt, although several of his business enterprises have.

The laws in the USA are different to those of civilised countries like the UK.Wink
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I think I was confusing the DSM IV, with the DMV, enough to drive you crazy.

I wonder about the politics of the DSM, and how psycho-analysis seems to be a new religion.

Not that it doesn't 'work,' it does work to a certain extent.  The "map" however, is not the reality.

Off topic I know, but DSM V is a road-map-for use by medical professionals in determining states of mental health-nothing more or less.
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Bankruptcy proceedings in the west are designed to prevent destitution - a destitute person cannot pay his bills and costs the nation in social care. It does cause some problems afterward but remember that Trump always had a huge reserve of funds and many financial avenues to refloat himself when his sums went horribly wrong. Me? If I went bankrupt I'd be pretty poor. County court judgements and debts would mean ongoing issues in daily life. But I would still have a roof over my head.
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I think I was confusing the DSM IV, with the DMV, enough to drive you crazy.

I wonder about the politics of the DSM, and how psycho-analysis seems to be a new religion.

Not that it doesn't 'work,' it does work to a certain extent.  The "map" however, is not the reality.
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I do not have a copy of the DSMV IV, but I am willing to bet narcissism and psychopathic tendencies are in there.  But, you missed my point, Lincoln and Churchill would have been in there as well, under depression, but that didn't keep them from doing a good job, in fact their depressive tendencies probably helped them do a good job.  I am not saying that would be the case for Trump, I am just saying that "mental problems" are part of the picture.  Anyone who has any status in the world are bound to have idiosyncrasies.  Some after they got "there" but more likely some which developed along the way.

There is a story of Trump, seeing a bum on the sidewalk, and saying to his (Trump's) companion, "see that guy on the sidewalk, he doesn't realize how lucky he is, he is a hundred million dollars richer than me."  Anyone who has gone through bankruptcy as many times as Trump has, and _not_ been devastated, has some kind of weird wiring in his head.  It may be advantageous to him, but it is not necessarily advantageous with share holders or others around him.  I still think of Trump as a kind of reverse sh*t magnet, sh*t hits miraculously around him, but he seems to be untouched.  The prayer
in Fiddler and the Roof for the czar is appropriate for Trump, "Lord bless him and keep him as far away as possible."

Actually, DSM IV has been replaced by DSM V. Pretty much the same illnesses but in a more understandable format.
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I do not have a copy of the DSMV IV, but I am willing to bet narcissism and psychopathic tendencies are in there.  But, you missed my point, Lincoln and Churchill would have been in there as well, under depression, but that didn't keep them from doing a good job, in fact their depressive tendencies probably helped them do a good job.  I am not saying that would be the case for Trump, I am just saying that "mental problems" are part of the picture.  Anyone who has any status in the world are bound to have idiosyncrasies.  Some after they got "there" but more likely some which developed along the way.

There is a story of Trump, seeing a bum on the sidewalk, and saying to his (Trump's) companion, "see that guy on the sidewalk, he doesn't realize how lucky he is, he is a hundred million dollars richer than me."  Anyone who has gone through bankruptcy as many times as Trump has, and _not_ been devastated, has some kind of weird wiring in his head.  It may be advantageous to him, but it is not necessarily advantageous with share holders or others around him.  I still think of Trump as a kind of reverse sh*t magnet, sh*t hits miraculously around him, but he seems to be untouched.  The prayer
in Fiddler and the Roof for the czar is appropriate for Trump, "Lord bless him and keep him as far away as possible."
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Actually I think the democrats have ideas to make the world a better place, starting with getting rid of Trump.  I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe he has been crooked in his dealings.  I think he knows that no investigation can demonstrate that he has clean hands in his personal business dealings, therefore like a vampire, he cannot stand the light of day. poof!

I do think that Trump has some mental problems, but then again, Lincoln and Churchill were depressives that came around at exactly the right time.
The crime has to be proven not the innocence

Why can't that raggedy ass band of democrats get anything done against the anti-Christ? Ineffectual losers letting human sh*t pile up in streets? Letting walking disease machines walk past the border! 
Leftist freaks, eating mushrooms should definitely be calling the shots and they are in DC.

Trump's Mental Problems? 
And you say this looking through your political -tunnel, with the filter on while wearing the rosy glasses. Listen to Adam Schiff talking to Russian comedians about Trump pee party, that's someone with mental problems. 
James Comey lied on the FISA warrant that got American citizens spyed on and then they were approached by foreign operatives overseas. The reason was tell them things that the FBI would falsely trace back to Trump campaign. 
It's coming out and democrats are about to be crushed. The d senators sounded like infantile morons questioning Barr. Did you listen to any of it? Do you know what they are saying? Are you being intellectually honest at all anymore? They are Morons!! How about DNC/CIA and senior FBI officials deciding who should not be president? 
Hoo-ray for your side
 


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He's a character. No question. One television pundit referred to him as the latest joke president. Perhaps a bit unkind, but the manner of Trump's presidency is one of frustrated absolutism. He really did come to office thinking he was going to be emperor of America. Sadly he was unaware or unconcerned that the American political system is geared to prevent that sort of individual domination and the moment he took office he ran straight into those who didn't want to be ruled. Trump is less pompous than he was during his initial days but it seems he's still working to brush aside the governmental mass holding him back. That's his personality of course. As master of his own commercial universe, he thought politics was going to be the same.
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Actually I think the democrats have ideas to make the world a better place, starting with getting rid of Trump.  I don't think it is a stretch of the imagination to believe he has been crooked in his dealings.  I think he knows that no investigation can demonstrate that he has clean hands in his personal business dealings, therefore like a vampire, he cannot stand the light of day. poof!

I do think that Trump has some mental problems, but then again, Lincoln and Churchill were depressives that came around at exactly the right time.
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"Now there was money laundering.  Do Tell."
 If Trump is taking care of money from the oligarchs, then there is a question of how much they own him.  This is different from Russian interference.  Of course, Trump has the attitude of not owing anyone anything, but even with that attitude he (if he is laundering) is entangled with them.
"IF" (here we go again), democrats continue to look for an imagined crime to pummel Trump with rather than offer actual ideas for improving the US/world situation, Trump wins.
There is a big pool of candidates for the democrats. Some of them are very promising. Andrew Yang is the best IMHO. He's interested in pursuing solutions with innovative plans. Of course the most obnoxious, partisan and leftists dems lead in the polls.
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"Now there was money laundering.  Do Tell."
If you acknowledge that there was money-laundering, then what do I have to tell you?

We own things, but things also own us, they come with obligations.  If Trump is taking care of money from the oligarchs, then there is a question of how much they own him.  This is different from Russian interference.  Of course, Trump has the attitude of not owing anyone anything, but even with that attitude he (if he is laundering) is entangled with them.
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Now there was money laundering. Do Tell.
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If those investigating Trump truly believe that examination of his tax records will prove his involvement with Russia, fraud, tax evasion or other crimes, they should pursue them.

IF, on the other hand it's a fishing expedition to see if they can find something to use against him, his tax records should remain confidential.

The Criminal Justice system (?) in the US is somewhat different to the Westminster System in many subtle ways, not all of them good, and Trump deserves to be treated fairly like anyone else. He should not be able to use his position to avoid the laws of the US.
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When you mention "demented self serving level" I think of Trump, but for some reason, I don't think that is what you mean.
of course Trump wants this behind him, he wants it to go away as in wave a magic wand and voom! presto chango it is gone.  Until that happens he will kick the can down the road.

If I had been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs, I would want it behind me too.  Or not paying taxes or engaging in fraud with Trump University.  Take your pick.

no, that is not totally false, it is totally an exaggeration.  Trump is blazing new ground in his call for executive privilege.
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One can legally debate whether Trump's tax records are relevant for congress to decide on good tax policy.  It is not obvious that Congress has a right to know regarding Trump's tax records for its ordinary legislative dealings.  It definitely has a right to know if it is subpoenaing him for impeachment.  Pelosi has dismissed that so far, as divisive, but if he is going to stonewall congress, then maybe that is the next step. 
Pelosi dismisses it bc the Republicans' approval numbers were in the basement  after the Star investigation and impeachment of Bill Clinton. 
Releasing Trump's tax records are not about tax policy. It's about embarrassing Trump. Democrats believe that 20 year old tax records of the NYT's "Comeback Kid" will hurt Trump. Naive? Out of touch?
Democrats are "dead ringers" like a Victorian accidentally buried before death scratching at the coffin,buried under ground. 
All roads from Mueller lead to FBI/DNC and international COLLUSION. Mueller hired Fusion GPS to get Trump dirt, the dirt wasn't dirty enough or accurate. Mueller proceeded to obtain FISA warrants on evidence was "Derogatory" that is basically -bull sh*t . Derogatory evidence is a dis-qualifier for warrants in FISA court. Fusion GPS has rehired Steele to continue "looking for a crime." 

It is important to note that the FBI swore on Oct. 21, 2016, to the FISA judges that Steele’s “reporting has been corroborated and used in criminal proceedings” and the FBI has determined him to be “reliable” and was “unaware of any derogatory information pertaining” to their informant, who simultaneously worked for Fusion GPS, the firm paid by the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and the Clinton campaign to find Russian dirt on Trump.

That’s a pretty remarkable declaration in Footnote 5 on Page 15 of the FISA application, since Kavalec apparently needed just a single encounter with Steele at State to find one of his key claims about Trump-Russia collusion was blatantly false.

Inher typed summary, Kavalec wrotethat Steele told her the Russians had constructed a “technical/human operation run out of Moscow targeting the election” that recruited emigres in the United States to “do hacking and recruiting.”

She quoted Steele as saying, “Payments to those recruited are made out of the Russian Consulate in Miami,” according to a copy of her summary memo obtained under open records litigation by the conservative group Citizens United. Kavalec bluntly debunked that assertion in a bracketed comment: “It is important to note that there is no Russian consulate in Miami.”

Kavalec, two days later and well before the FISA warrant was issued, forwarded her typed summary to other government officials. The State Department has redacted the names and agencies of everyone she alerted. It is unlikely that her concerns failed to reach the FBI.

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If someone ignores a (House) subpoena, the next step is for the Justice Department to enforce it, but Trump is the head of the Executive, including the Justice Department.  So it is not even worthwhile for the House to attempt to enforce the subpoena.  Of course, Trump is claiming Executive privilege for everything, that is not in the constitution, but is something to be decided by the courts.  Trump is kicking the can down the road.
No Trump isn't claiming executive privilege for everything, that's totally false. That is what OBAMA did and I just showed you how with the Fast and the Furious documents. You completely turned it around and made your preferred truth factual. 
Trump wants this behind us, kicking what bloody can? 
You mean meeting democrats at their demented self serving level?
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One can legally debate whether Trump's tax records are relevant for congress to decide on good tax policy.  It is not obvious that Congress has a right to know regarding Trump's tax records for its ordinary legislative dealings.  It definitely has a right to know if it is subpoenaing him for impeachment.  Pelosi has dismissed that so far, as divisive, but if he is going to stonewall congress, then maybe that is the next step.  
If someone ignores a (House) subpoena, the next step is for the Justice Department to enforce it, but Trump is the head of the Executive, including the Justice Department.  So it is not even worthwhile for the House to attempt to enforce the subpoena.  Of course, Trump is claiming Executive privilege for everything, that is not in the constitution, but is something to be decided by the courts.  Trump is kicking the can down the road.
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The identity politics is the race to claim victim status.
LOL YEP
And now congress is a VICTIM LOL Jerry Nadler representin' the representatives. This just gets weirder and weirder. Find the victim for 20 points!

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Isn't Trump placing himself in jeopardy by telling staff to ignore Congressional Subpoenas?

Aren't those staff placing themselves in danger of being arrested?

What permits the POTUS to ignore Congress?
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It's hard to tell if America is moving toward a dictatorial, gangster state, or if it's just frustration and gridlock. There's probably a reason why the electorate is hopeless. They are probably so deeply divided that they can't come to any sort of consensus. Maybe we are moving toward gangsterism, but maybe the traditional system of checks & balances is operating as it should, and the frustration and division is due to gridlock, with the President and Congress cancelling each other. It's hard to say. The President surely inclines toward dictatorship, but he's also facing a lot of Congressional opposition. The main  thing he was successful with getting passed was the tax-cut, and even he now seems to realize that it was a fizzle, and he isn't talking about it much anymore.
It's gridlock for sure, it's better than bloviating.
Tax cut was not a fizzle. Rehashing settled matters isn't profitable, constant media distortions abound. Media is wasting energy by telling people what their tax return looks like, they already know.

Judiciary Rep Jerry Nadler isn't going to change the status of the Mueller report. Nadler should have realized that there might be consequences when he and Democrats tweaked the rules on Executive privilege during the Clinton impeachment. "Negotiated impeachment" is the very reason why Trump can use executive privilege to push back on congress. POTUS can agree to provide some information and answer some questions. Tons of information has been released from the Mueller investigation. In a matter of weeks, even provided a summary for the interim bitching. 
It took hundreds of days for the Obama admin to release Fast and Furious highly redacted documents and it took the courts YEARS to force the release of those highly redacted documents. Nadler is forcing this so the POTUS appears to be breaking the law in time to effect the next election.

Basically people who are already contributors to the economy, possibly small businesses, that's the $50-75K group, got the $1000 dollar tax break that was spelled out in the speeches. Those who earned above that group, more likely bigger economic contributors, saw more return and they are spending in kind-very good for the economy look at the consumer statistics Trump didn't invent these ideas, Clinton used similar "stimulus" to grow jobs during his admin see Robert Reich.
Wages are rising. I'm not going to bore you with links obviously you  have an excellent grasp of the situation. Understanding that disliking a personality makes admitting improvement difficult. If the economic gains are not real, why would the Obama friends try to link it to what HE started while POTUS?


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He's also been successful with getting his appointees onto the Supreme Court, we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out.

There's also a reason for the increasing appeal of socialism and identity politics. The working-class isn't sharing in the  booming economy. They are struggling financially, and no wonder that they're turning to socialism (in the form of Medicare for All).  And they're turning to identity politics because they're alientated from the mainstream Democrats and Republicans, and they're looking for some sort of leaders that they can identify with. 
Did I mention wages are rising for low income people faster than managerial? You can dispute it but I am not seeing the horror show that you speak of in a greater degree than last admin.There is a disparity in the living wage earner's actual ability to live on the current minimum wage. Trump didn't do that. See Reich


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Isn't Trump placing himself in jeopardy by telling staff to ignore Congressional Subpoenas?

Aren't those staff placing themselves in danger of being arrested?

What permits the POTUS to ignore Congress?
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The identity politics is the race to claim victim status. College educated minorities are claiming that they are oppressed by what essentially are blue collar working class white males.  The glorious news is that you can be rich and still be "officially" oppressed.  Once upon you had to be poor to be oppressed, but now, if you are gay or lesbian (both of which tend to have greater than average income), or female (a 51% 'minority'), you can claim victim status.   The claim is for "equity" but like George Orwell said, "all animals are equal."  "Some animals are more equal than others.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Windemere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 May 2019 at 02:19
It's hard to tell if America is moving toward a dictatorial, gangster state, or if it's just frustration and gridlock. There's probably a reason why the electorate is hopeless. They are probably so deeply divided that they can't come to any sort of consensus. Maybe we are moving toward gangsterism, but maybe the traditional system of checks & balances is operating as it should, and the frustration and division is due to gridlock, with the President and Congress cancelling each other. It's hard to say. The President surely inclines toward dictatorship, but he's also facing a lot of Congressional opposition. The main  thing he was successful with getting passed was the tax-cut, and even he now seems to realize that it was a fizzle, and he isn't talking about it much anymore. He's also been successful with getting his appointees onto the Supreme Court, we'll just have to wait and see how that turns out.

There's also a reason for the increasing appeal of socialism and identity politics. The working-class isn't sharing in the  booming economy. They are struggling financially, and no wonder that they're turning to socialism (in the form of Medicare for All).  And they're turning to identity politics because they're alientated from the mainstream Democrats and Republicans, and they're looking for some sort of leaders that they can identify with. 


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Both the Republicans and the Democrats have worked to increase the power of the executive, when they have occupied the Oval Office, it is not accurate that only the Republicans have done this.

The Democrats seem to be increasing their admiration of socialism, and identity politics.  If they don't win the Presidency, it will be because in their search for radicalism they will make themselves unpalatable.  Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't know.

It is Pelosi and the democrats who don't want impeachment, they want to run against Trump, and if he is impeached they will have to worry about running some unknown.  Better the devil you know, then the devil you don't know.  (again).

Obviously, you do not like Republicans, one should not count derision as a method of analysis.  The political corruption of the major cities of the US, has predominantly been in the hands of democrats, but of course if you want to sensationalize everything in an effort to gain control and sweep away the opposition, well I don't blame you, it is what any 'good' Bolshevik would do.  Put them all up against the wall!
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The United States is close to becoming a gangster state.  The Constitution, the body of law and two centuries of procedural governance are being assaulted by a wannabe autocrat and mafioso.

The pimple in the White House is engineering a constitutional crisis in order to keep himself out of prison.  It remains to be seen whether the courts have become so corrupted that an administration, in contempt of Congress, will serve the interests of a minority party.  That party has been subverting the rule of law for almost 50 years.  This is nothing that has not been observed before, but now, due to Mr. Trump's personal interests, the Republican Party is on board in moving the Constitutional powers of government further away from Congress, and into the executive which recently has acted more and more as though the law does not exist for its purposes.

What will happen is anyone's guess.  The Federal courts, and in particular the SCOTUS, have become almost the lawyers of business interests and of an executive that has increasingly unlimited power.

The Senate, an historically responsible institution, cares little about this.  Republican senators up for re-election in 2020 are only concerned with keeping their seats (they know they will probably all be around long after Trump is gone).

Impeachment is a pipe dream in the contemporary partisan atmosphere.  The courts are more and more partisan and cannot be depended upon.  The electorate is hopeless.  There is little confidence that Mr. Trump will not be re-elected.

If the US does in fact become a gangster state - closer to Russia and China - it may be because there is an underlying sense that liberal democracy (in the form of a representative republic) is no longer relevant in the 21st century.  Difficult to digest all this; depressing as well.     
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The USA is in danger of becoming a dictatorship under Trump.

The President has ordered some of his senior managers to ignore Congressional subpoenas, thereby avoiding giving evidence which would probably be harmful to him.

Apparently, now The White House has sued a member of congress to prevent Trump staff attending.

Congress cannot permit this disobedience to happen. I don't know what steps it can take but to ignore a subpoena is not a trifling matter, it strikes at the very heart of government.

Trump and his cohorts have set themselves up as being beyond normal oversight and control, and if nothing is done to quell this, it could have long lasting and very serious effects on government in the USA.

Btw, the media reports surrounding Barr's redacted copy of the Mueller Report is precisely what I was talking about earlier. His version differs to that of Mueller, and I know who I believe.


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The position in the US is obviously different to that of Australia.

If our Prime Minister was accused of collusion with China or Russia, the public would demand a Royal Commission, and they'd get it.

I'm understanding that various law enforcement and intelligence agencies in the US are perhaps pushing a political agenda, and that's something that wouldn't happen here, at least not as blatantly.

Media has already attacked Barr as trying to hide the full truth and content of the Mueller Report, I don't know how much of that is pure politics.
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The truth is that Jesus loves me, or God is great, or something on that scale, not whether or not Trump doesn't pay his taxes.  I would like to see Trump's finances become public, but I wouldn't confuse that with the truth.  And the fact that CNN and so forth are rabble rousing, demanding that 'people have a right to the truth.'  Well, I don't think that most people would know the truth if it bit them on the nose.  But they can be stampeded towards the cliff quite easily.  What would be the purpose of such 'enlightenment?'  Pelosi has already decided that Trump won't get impeached.  The purpose is to have compromising information out there, so that it will improve democratic chances in the election.  If Trump was actually impeached, then the democrats would have to face somebody else in the general election, someone who was not so 'compromised'.  That is as far as the "truth' goes for the democrats, enough to wound, but not to take Trump out.  That is what CNN is doing in demanding "people have a right to know,' they don't want to take him out by impeachment, they want to wait for the election.  I think you can see, toyomotor, how the whole thing is just a little bit, manipulative.

The democrats don't have a problem with corruption, as long as it is their corruption.  Anything else, "the public has a right to know."


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