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Best language tree i've seen so far

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Topic: Best language tree i've seen so far
Posted By: Flipper
Subject: Best language tree i've seen so far
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 05:46
Hey, I came across this tree ( http://multitree.org/trees/Indo-European:%20Composite@730997 - http://multitree.org/trees/Indo-European:%20Composite@730997 )of Indo-European languages that is the best idea I have seen so far. You can steer with your mouse the depth of the tree. Apart from the great user interface, it is very accurate as well. Some minor corrections or additions one would made!




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Posted By: drgonzaga
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 06:16
All I get from your link is a black screen, Flip.

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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 06:59
I could open it and, after getting into the rather awkward navigation, browsed through the Germanic and Slavic branches. I'm not sure if it's the best I've ever seen, but "best" is a tad subjective as it matters much what the branching actually represents. It's too simplistic to have such a one-to-one tree like relation when it comes to how a language evolved, as often mixes between languages appear, not seldom as a result from blending two dialects or languages from two different branches or sub-branches. How do you draw the lines? With that in mind it was not bad (there were, as always, inconsistencies in number of "levels"; for example SW Slavonic was split directly into Serbian,Croation,Bosnian - and Slovene!), but I wish people knew the limitations of such a representation.


Edit: if it doesn't work, it's probably Java causing errors.


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 02 May 2011 at 21:11
Agree with Styrbiorn. A tree isn't an accurate representation of the way languages develop. You need a much more complex kind of network.

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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 01:02
My bad!
Basically, the correct link is this one  http://multitree.org/ - http://multitree.org/

I happened to post a tree a was currently watching. The trees included are based on publications. Choose for example the category from the tree menu on the left and then on the right you will see a list of published trees from various sources.

Some trees are more accurate depending on the branch, some are not. If you choose Muellers publication from 1876 then don't expect it to be accurate in comparison to todays data. Some trees are generic while others are more detailed.

Personally I like the navigation. It is an interesting visualization approach. As for blending, I think I saw somewhere subbranches that evolved from two different languages/dialects (e.g Southern Italian branches of Greek deriving from Koine and Doric being connected with both ends).




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Posted By: drgonzaga
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 02:55
Well, Flip, from my end even this latest link does not work within the constructs of IE9 and Java has nothing to do with it. Guess I'll have to pass here since I am not going to fool with my security apparatus just for this site. Could you just present a "paste up" of the particular trees that are drawing your attention as "launch pad" for discussion and contradiction?

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Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 06:56
DrG,
It is difficult to demonstrate with a paste up, what I actually like about this tree, since it is all about user experience. I will do my best though:

Here's for instance the Altaic tree.




Here's a simple drill-down into the Tungus branch controlled by simple mouse movements.



You can basically go down to extreme levels of detail, splitting up dialects into their local divisions.

Here's an example of what I was talking earlier. Multiple dialects deriving from more than one language/dialect in this case Southern Italian Greek, having 2 parents drawn by 2 lines.


Now, whether one agrees with each setup is another story. The layout for me is much better than trying to read complex Indo-European "labyrinth"-shaped structures printed on paper.


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