Print Page | Close Window

A new pontic Greek dialect discovered

Printed From: WorldHistoria Forum
Category: SCHOLARLY PURSUITS
Forum Name: Linguistics
Forum Description: Discuss linguistics: the study of language
URL: http://www.worldhistoria.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=126146
Printed Date: 25 Oct 2020 at 15:59
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com


Topic: A new pontic Greek dialect discovered
Posted By: Flipper
Subject: A new pontic Greek dialect discovered
Date Posted: 04 Jan 2011 at 03:54
A new surviving pontic Greek (Romeyka) dialect was discovered in north-eastern Turkey by a lecturer in romance philology at the University of Cambridge. Generally, all pontic Greek dialects are descended from medieval Greek, unlike this one which preserves an impressive number of ancient Greek grammatical traits.

Couldn't find a proper English version, but this should do the job...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/history/jason-and-the-argot-land-where-greeks-ancient-language-survives-2174669.html - http://www.independent.co.uk/

Romeyka preserves an impressive number of grammatical traits that add an ancient Greek flavour to the dialect's structure, traits that have been completely lost from other modern Greek varieties

Use of the infinitive has been lost in all other Greek dialects known today – so speakers of Modern Greek would say 'I wasn't able that I go' instead of 'I wasn't able to go'. But, in Romeyka, not only is the infinitive preserved, but we also find quirky infinitival constructions that have never been observed before – only in the Romance languages are there parallel constructions.

The villagers who speak Romeyka, which has no written form, show other signs of geographic and cultural isolation. They rarely marry outside their own community and they play a folk music on a special instrument, called a kemenje in Turkish and Romeyka or lyra as it is called in Greek, Dr Sitaridou said. "I only know of one man who married outside his own village," she said. "The music is distinctive and cannot be mistaken for anything else. It is clearly unique to the speakers of Romeyka.

One possibility is that Romeyka speakers today are the direct descendants of ancient Greeks who lived along the Black Sea coast millennia ago – perhaps going back to the 6th or 7th centuries BC when the area was first colonised. But it is also possible that they may be the descendants of indigenous people or an immigrant tribe who were encouraged or forced to speak the language of the ancient Greek colonisers.




-------------
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
http://www.palaeolexicon.com" rel="nofollow">



Replies:
Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2011 at 07:36
Ok, here is the original Cambridge article (Against all odds: archaic Greek in a modern world):  http://www.research-horizons.cam.ac.uk/features/-p-against-all-odds--archaic-greek-in-a-modern-world--p-.aspx - http://www.research-horizons.cam.ac.uk/features/-p-against-all-odds--archaic-greek-in-a-modern-world--p-.aspx

and here is the official video with some women speaking Romeyka.




-------------
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
http://www.palaeolexicon.com" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 24 Mar 2011 at 06:22
And while some are worrying about the remaining lifetime of such languages, I just discovered that the Black Sea dialect made into Wiki as http://pnt.wikipedia.org - pnt.wikipedia.org . The funny thing is that I search for black sea in Greek and it showed up. I didn't notice where I landed until I started reading, realizing that it was not standard Greek.

-------------
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
http://www.palaeolexicon.com" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Paradigm of Humanity
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2011 at 00:11
I had a friend from Trabzon who knows pontic language. It's existance known all over Trabzon. I can't believe you suprised LOL


-------------
the single postmodern virtue of obsessive egalitarianism


Posted By: Flipper
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2011 at 17:55
Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

I had a friend from Trabzon who knows pontic language. It's existance known all over Trabzon. I can't believe you suprised LOL


I am not surprised on the fact it is a pontic dialect. There's a difference between what those speakers  call Pontiaka or Romeyka and this one. This one followed a different lineage from the usual Romeyka/Pontiaka since it preserves archaic Greek forms before the 4th century BC. It has for example the infinite which has been lost in Koine and modern Greek.

Personally I know people who speak Pontic Greek only at home, but it is intelligible to a Greek speaker, at least if he or she has been in contact with such speakers several times and gets used to it. This dialect is not intelligible and is more of a language (like Tsakonian) than a dialect.


-------------
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
http://www.palaeolexicon.com" rel="nofollow">


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 05 May 2014 at 04:18
When Lord Byron from England when to Greece in 1820's he thought the population going to speak Greek he was very surprised that they spoke another language, Arvanitas, and not Greek, 90 percent of the heroes of the Greek revolution where Arvanitas and spoke a difrent language look at the flag of the Greeks that is not an old flag
Old scriptures and most of the names in ancient Greece are explained in this language, and every time there comes someone and tries to write about this truth the Greeks find a way and kill that person,
If the Greeks are so old how come in the whole Europe we don't find that name anywhere, just think why do Greeks try so hard to tell their own history, the world knows about their history, but they are afraid the truth gonna come out sooner or later, they cannot hide it anymore.
Someone said: if you know what the whole world knows you know nothing.


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 06 May 2014 at 22:33
Flipper:
Is there any suggestion that this newly discovered language had any effect on the development of language in other European states?


Posted By: Guest
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2014 at 03:11
It is a very interesting article thank you Flipper.Smile



Print Page | Close Window

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.03 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Copyright ©2001-2019 Web Wiz Ltd. - https://www.webwiz.net