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Pre-Sumerian period of Mesopotamia

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    Posted: 01 Oct 2009 at 13:44
As I understood from my readings on the net and some books, the Sumerians History of Mesopotamia do include the period as early as 5400 BCE .

Then i found A book called The Sumerians by C. Leonard Wooly, At the beginning the book describes  how the land south of mesopotamia became fertile and rich from the 4 rivers that formed one of the best places for Agriculture, this attracted settlers from different areas around mesopotamia, and the immigration must have been gradually :
  1.  From the North the Martu who came from North Arabia the Syrian Desert and upper Euphrates, they settled in the north part of the newly formed delta
  2. The Akkadians from central Arabia settled in the center.
  3. The Assyrians ancestors settled in the north that they could not go pass the Martu land
  4. The Arabs ancestors from Central Arabian plateau ( the last to remain in their mother land Arabia) also took advantage of the rich lower delta, but their settlement was smaller as only few individual families who moved from the desert to souther part of the delta.
  5. The last of the Incomers  were the Sumerians from still an unknown origin.

From the above its confusing how many historian call the history of early ancient mesopotamia as Sumerian Civilization while the sumerian are the last to settle there!!!

Off course they were the once to achieve a lot in forming a civilized society compared to the older settlers and even to the rest of the world, still they are not the first to settle there.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote calvo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2009 at 15:24
Interesting topic.
I've always been fascinated by the "pre-civilization"; the period in which the first urban centres were beginning to form, but without establishing any form of "state" yet.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote azimuth Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Oct 2009 at 17:36
Interesting thing is Sumerians knew that they were more civilized that the groups they found when they first came to southern mesopotamia

A Sumerian Hymn says " Mankind when created did not know of bread for eating or garments for wearing. The people walked with limbs on the round, they ate herbs with their mouths like sheep, they drank ditch-water"

may be this hymn exaggerated a little how uncivilized Semitic where. Confused


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Apparently there are marked similarities between the Sumerians and the Burnt City civilisation in Eastern Iran - not sure of this you may have to read more.
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Apparently there are marked similarities between the Sumerians and the Burnt City civilisation in Eastern Iran - not sure of this you may have to read more.

I don't know about that, this thread is about pre-sumerian mesopotamia

anyway from the book i have the Sumerians spoke a language similar to the Ancient Turkish language, and their appearance was not like modern arabs but more to Indo-European stockk

Sir Arthur Keith states (One can still trace the ancient sumerian face eastwards among the inhabitants of Afghanistan and Baluchistan until the Valley of the Indus is Reached some 1500 miles distant form mesopotamia"
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Originally posted by azimuth azimuth wrote:

anyway from the book i have the Sumerians spoke a language similar to the Ancient Turkish language, and their appearance was not like modern arabs but more to Indo-European stockk
Where's the source? I'd find it hard to believe that they spoke a Turkic language because the first reference of any language remotely similar to Turkish was that spoken by the Xiongnu in Mongolia around 2500 years ago: almost 3000 years after the Sumerians!
 
How could we know about their appearance? Any statues or stone reliefs?
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Please check this thread  which is dedicated for Sumerians .

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I didn't realise that Sir Arthur Keith was alive to see the faces of the Sumerians... Interesting.  Did he have a time machine or was he merely perpetuating the myth that all ancient civilisations were 'white' in essence?

I'm sure if you tried hard enough you could see the Mongolian face from the far east all the way to England too.
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Originally posted by azimuth azimuth wrote:

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anyway from the book i have the Sumerians spoke a language similar to the Ancient Turkish language, and their appearance was not like modern arabs but more to Indo-European stockk


Sumerian is a language isolate. That means that it has no resemblance to any known language. Being agglutinative, just like Altaic languages doesn't mean anything. Agglutinative languages have no specific geographic distribution (they have existed in different parts of the world) and in many cases are unrelated to each other.

At that time someone speaking a language similar to Turkish and looking Indoeuropean or Caucasian is highly improbable. Besides, what is an indoeuropean look?
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Come on guys i made a new thread to discuss sumerians, this one is about pre-sumerians.

i'll comment on your posts there
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