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    Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 00:21
A study was highlighted this week concerning plastic particles in the ocean off the coast of Monterrey Ca.
Apparently we are all breathing and ingesting plastic particles. So much is speculative now as to the levels that can be tolerated and whether toxic effects will build overtime and become deadly.

If the tiny sea animals are consuming microscopic plastic particles and it just goes into the food chain, we eat fish and the plastic might be staying in our bodies it's an unknown at this time. The article from National Geographic has most of the significant facts obtained through the recent study. 

I'm not entirely sure it's a bad thing if we can ingest plastic and live. Plastic is everywhere and we do have to breath. Maybe this is a kind of evolutionary adaptation that we have to make in order to live on Earth.


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The tons of plastic and other garbage finding it's way into our oceans is unsustainable.

The impact that it have over time on ocean dwelling creatures as well as humans can only be guessed at, but humans have to take action now to clean up the oceans and to keep them clean. Like in global warming, which we can only control in part, act now or suffer the long term consequences.
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They recently found a plastic bag at the bottom of the Marianas Trench in the Pacific, the deepest ocean floor anywhere. Plastic is a problem and it's right that things are being done about it. But as I said elsewhere on the net, expanding population also expands our problems. It is notable that all this global warming, pollution, waste, health susceptibility, and so forth has become an issue during the period where human global populations have rocketed to three times the previous maximums for the first time in history.
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Nothing is going to get better until, possibly due to overcrowding, we get an old fashioned plague. 
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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Nothing is going to get better until, possibly due to overcrowding, we get an old fashioned plague. 

Speaking of which, we weren't but......what's the big deal with Measles now?

When I was young, it was expected that we all got measles, mumps and chicken pox-it was all part of growing up. I've had all three and I think I'm OK, that is, I can't blame them for my current plethora of illnesses.
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regarding population, I would suggest checking out Hans Rosling's tedtalks.
Listening to him, things seem rather positive.

Just hope that you (we) don't get shingles, which is based on having chicken pox as a child. 

Things should be done about plastics, and they are being done about plastics, but not every idea is a good idea.  Some people are like OMG! we gotta do something!  Yes, but I worry about people embracing drastic measures that might do more harm than good.  I tend to favor forming little eco-systems of ideas, trying out different things in different places, seeing what can help, and what can hurt also.  But in a limited fashion, that is not so much imposing a top-down, one system fits, well, none.
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If the Good Lord had wanted us to have plastic intestines etc, we would have been born with them.Wink
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

If the Good Lord had wanted us to have plastic intestines etc, we would have been born with them.Wink
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We will be shiny plastic people at least on the inside.Wink

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  • 3D-Printed Body Parts: We can 3-D print toys, tools, cars, and more. While 3-D printed human body parts aren’t quite here yet, they’re closer than you may think. Researchers are working on printing various body parts such as kidneys, skin, bones, cartilage, tissues, blood vessels, and more made from diverse cell types while using plastics to help keep the part’s structure in shape. And today, 3-D printed plastic body part models are used as research and practice for complex, tough surgeries.
  • Self-Healing PlasticsResearchers are developing new materials with plastics that can self-heal—and they’re using them to develop artificial skin and muscle. The plastic skin mimics the flexibility and sensitivity of human skin and may enable new prosthetics, while the plastic muscle may be used to help move artificial limbs, to replace missing limbs, or even for advanced robots. And both may have the ability to heal themselves, just like human tissue.

If you think about it, all those plastic medical tools you take for granted in your doctor’s office were once revolutionary. And plastics will continue to help drive innovations in medical care that we only dream about today.


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Quote regarding population, I would suggest checking out Hans Rosling's tedtalks.
Listening to him, things seem rather positive.
I seem to be hearing similar things everywhere, almost as if the problems of escalating population are nothing to be concerned about. I disagree. The human element of climate change is directly related to our burgeoning population - human activity creates heat, and since the global population has more than tripled since 1945, well, it seems our climate can't cope. But it goes further. urbanisation and land use. Resources. I mean, really, if things look potentially bad now what's it going to be like when there's ten times as many of us? A hundred times? A thousand? It can't go on, and natural factors dictate that sooner or later our superiority will collapse dramatically. There are plenty of dominant species in the fossil record already if one needs a warning. But hey, life goes on doesn't it?
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The future described in the UN study strikes me as being a more likely scenario. The chatter about food additives effectively de-feminizing women and emasculating men isn't going away. US is adding "unknowables" to corn which is in everything- even plastic-tee hee. Then they ship it all over the world. 

In the FUTURE Embryos will be selected, everyday people will loose the capacity to reproduce and the ruling class will order genetically enhanced babies online. Endocrine disrupting chemicals (ECDs) xenobiotics, sounds friendly right? They are in the air, food, water and the sterilizing effect is evident in wildlife, it's accumulating in human/animal bodies and everywhere else.
Remember the newspapers shrieking about the population soaring to 8 Billion in the 1970's? Never happened, killer bees were a concern then also. Then we started killing all the bees so no problems now.

According to United Nations’ estimates, the world population in 2100 will be within a range between 15.8 billion people according to the highest estimates -high fertility variant– and 6.2 billion according to the lowest – low fertility variant–, a figure that stands below the current 7 billion.

A mathematical model developed by a team from the Autonomous University of Madrid (UAM) and the CEU-San Pablo University, both from Spain, seems to confirm the lower estimate, in addition to a standstill and even a slight drop in the number of people on Earth by the mid-21st century.

The population prospects between 1950 and 2100 provided by the UN were used to conduct the study, published in the journal ‘Simulation’. Mathematical equations which are used in scientific fields, such as condensed matter physics, were then applied to this data.

“This is a model that describes the evolution of a two-level system in which there is a probability of passing from one level to another,” as explained to SINC by Félix F. Muñoz, UAM researcher and co-author of the project.

The team considered the Earth as a closed and finite system where the migration of people within the system has no impact and where the fundamental principle of the conservation of mass –biomass in this case– and energy is fulfilled.

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I can't find the server you mention, Rosling estimates that the world population will level out at 8 million, part of that is longevity 'leveling out' too.  About population, and plastics and other problems in general I am cautiously optimistic.  We have to respond to the problems and we have to respond in the right way, but I do not believe that the sky is falling in our time, any more or less than it is for any other time in history.

Or you could cite 'the Population Bomb" by Paul Ehrlich(?), which was the excuse of various dictators to purge populations considered less desirable.  Talk about a step backwards.

Hans Rosling has a wonderful lecture to a woman's organization about the revolutionary invention of the (clothes) washing machine, I recommend it, Rosling's presentations are so good, even if you knew what he was going to say, it is just fun to see for the presentational aspect of the presentation.
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It's a transformation. The Earth must be like the human in body in the way it endures yet carries on. The earth is irrevocably changed but it won't mean the end of it all yet, eh? Maybe we realize and do better before we can totally recover but manage to change enough ourselves to cope with new conditions.

http://https://ourworldindata.org/future-population-growth
This is another link, same UN study. 


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