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    Posted: 03 May 2018 at 14:01
Dr. Jackson Crawford is an Old Norse specialist and translator teaching at the University of Colorado (formerly UC Berkeley and UCLA).

Careful - you are unable to stop if you start watching his videos.


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Hi Northman, good to hear from you.

As I see it, when the entertainment industry involves itself in historic matters, history more often that not takes a second place to entertainment, the result being that the public are left with an exaggerated version of events and people. The Vikings and the sons of Ragnar Lodbruc (Lothbruck etc.) are a typical case at hand.

But of course they aren't the only ones, nor are they the first.  
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Hi Ian 
The guy in those videos is not in the entertaintment indusry, but a very serious professoor with a fantastic knowledge of Norse Myth.  We can laern a lot fro him

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Interesting fellow, and now he is in Colorado.

I've read retellings of the Norse tales, but when they get re-told all the "sharp edges" get smoothed off.  For example I have never heard where dwarfs come from before, (maggots in Ymir's corpse).  Never heard of Odin's brothers before either.

Does he address anywhere the origin of the (difference between) Aesir and the Vanir?  Maybe I'll just have to look....
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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Hi Ian 
The guy in those videos is not in the entertaintment indusry, but a very serious professoor with a fantastic knowledge of Norse Myth.  We can laern a lot fro him

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Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I wasn't referring to the man in the video, but the entertainment industry's influence on history.

Many people have only their TV knowledge of a lot of history, so their belief aligns with facts that have been "enhanced" for entertainment's sake.
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Odin had 2 brothers, Vili and Ve and here is another site for them  https://norse-mythology.org/vili-ve/


   
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Hi Ian 
The guy in those videos is not in the entertaintment indusry, but a very serious professoor with a fantastic knowledge of Norse Myth.  We can laern a lot fro him

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Sorry, I should have made myself clearer. I wasn't referring to the man in the video, but the entertainment industry's influence on history.

Many people have only their TV knowledge of a lot of history, so their belief aligns with facts that have been "enhanced" for entertainment's sake.

I completely agree...
   
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It seems like there is a merging in Norse mythology between the Vanir and the Aesir.  They're different, but I would count both as "Norse."  Vili and Ve are another example of loose threads in the reweaving of Norse mythos.  I think all mythos tend to be that way.  There is a whole Greek mythology before the Olympians.  

As far as the popularity of mythology, I think that we tend to treat it as high culture, but I wonder how much of it is low culture.  Maybe TV is the place for it.
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Would anyone share notable misconceptions in Norse myth from the series Vikings, History Channel production?

I realize the timeline for Ragnar and Lindisfarne is wrong but it was explained that it was done for dramatic purposes and to fully capture the first contact with England.
"Challenging the popular story
Perhaps the greatest challenge to the chronicle comes in the form of a series of charters, administrative documents which have survived from Kent relating to events from AD792 to AD822. It seems miraculous that so many of these fragile documents have survived intact over 1,000 years to be consulted by today’s scholars. The texts of some have only survived through later medieval copies and more must have been lost.
The charters that have survived from Kent refer to grants of land and privileges but place an obligation on the recipient to raise armies, build bridges and construct fortifications “against pagans”. This suggests that Vikings were more active and better defended against than many historians have realised."http://theconversation.com/what-medieval-sources-reveal-about-the-true-nature-of-the-vikings-75794


Recent in the news,

Volcanic eruption influenced Iceland's conversion to Christianity
March 19, 2018, University of Cambridge


The poem's apocalyptic imagery marks the fiery end to the world of the old gods. The researchers suggest that these lines in the poem may have been intended to rekindle harrowing memories of the eruption to stimulate the massive religious and cultural shift taking place in Iceland in the last decades of the tenth century.
"With a firm date for the eruption, many entries in medieval chronicles snap into place as likely consequences - sightings in Europe of an extraordinary atmospheric haze; severe winters; and cold summers, poor harvests; and food shortages," said Oppenheimer. "But most striking is the almost eyewitness style in which the eruption is depicted in Voluspá. The poem's interpretation as a prophecy of the end of the pagan gods and their replacement by the one, singular god, suggests that memories of this terrible volcanic eruption were purposefully provoked to stimulate the Christianisation of Iceland."


Read more at: https://phys.org/news/2018-03-volcanic-eruption-iceland-conversion-christianity.html#jCp


http://theconversation.com/what-medieval-sources-reveal-about-the-true-nature-of-the-vikings-75794
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