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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

How do you feel about a Kurdish homeland?

Further division of any Middle Eastern country must be avoided at all costs. It makes these countries just weaker and open to manipulation.

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

I think the relationship between Turkey and the US started to cool off when we attacked Iraq, and we were refused entry into Northern Iraq via Turkey. I'm not sure if that was due to the Kurdish issue, or pressure of an Islamic nature.

Everyone is Anti-American in Turkey. Islamists, Seculars, Nationalists, Commies... No suprise even Erdoğan could not able to pass that act which would allow American troops. Grand National Assembly is more powerful than Prime Minister, if it requires so. And Pro-American generals and admirals are already jailed (100+ of them) for plotting coups.

Also a poll says more than %80 of Turkish people sees USA as a threat. This is a direct result of warmongering foreign policy of United States. After Fall of Communism, not  everyone is so tolerating about wars started by United States of America.

Another point, do you think half of Turkish people (in polls) supporting Iran just beacause they were fellow Muslims? Then I would say you have no idea about Sunni-Shia coldness. (Note that, same people against Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons.) They are supporting Iran because Iran is rhetorically Anti-American. So is Chavez and people likes Chavez here.

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:


In any event it's not forgotten.

Foreign policy doesn't work that way.


Edited by Paradigm of Humanity - 19 Mar 2012 at 22:38
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The Turkish decision caused American lives, but it was not our country, and it was not our call. A pity about the way things are now. It was a religious call and that is the way your country is going. It's your country though, and I wish it well.
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Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

The Turkish decision caused American lives, but it was not our country, and it was not our call. A pity about the way things are now. It was a religious call and that is the way your country is going. It's your country though, and I wish it well.

- US were attacked Iraq for no reason, your country was the agressor.
- They were soldiers. They weren't forcefully conscripted. No one cares about their lives, expecially when attacking somewhere. I'm sorry about their families though.
- Medical evacuation allowed.
- US forces in Iraq partly or largely (I don't know how much) supplied via Turkey. It is a shame to allowing passage of weapons and ammunition. Only medical stuff would be allowed.

In my point of view, main question is that ones who used "yes" votes (264 no, 250 yes) to the act. These are just "yes man"s of Erdoğan, they do what Erdoğan tells them to do.


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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

How do you feel about a Kurdish homeland?

Further division of any Middle Eastern country must be avoided at all costs. It makes these countries just weaker and open to manipulation.

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:

I think the relationship between Turkey and the US started to cool off when we attacked Iraq, and we were refused entry into Northern Iraq via Turkey. I'm not sure if that was due to the Kurdish issue, or pressure of an Islamic nature.

Everyone is Anti-American in Turkey. Islamists, Seculars, Nationalists, Commies... No suprise even Erdoğan could not able to pass that act which would allow American troops. Grand National Assembly is more powerful than Prime Minister, if it requires so. And Pro-American generals and admirals are already jailed (100+ of them) for plotting coups.

Also a poll says more than %80 of Turkish people sees USA as a threat. This is a direct result of warmongering foreign policy of United States. After Fall of Communism, not  everyone is so tolerating about wars started by United States of America.

Another point, do you think half of Turkish people (in polls) supporting Iran just beacause they were fellow Muslims? Then I would say you have no idea about Sunni-Shia coldness. (Note that, same people against Iran's acquisition of nuclear weapons.) They are supporting Iran because Iran is rhetorically Anti-American. So is Chavez and people likes Chavez here.

Originally posted by Buckskins Buckskins wrote:


In any event it's not forgotten.

Foreign policy doesn't work that way.

I never saw Turkey that way I understood that there was a large religious anti American faction but other than that I didnt think Turkey had alot of problems with the United States given that they were part of NATO and they even allowed American Nukes on their soil. 

And another question

Is there a large communist party in Turkey? How do most people feel about them

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Originally posted by fusong fusong wrote:

I never saw Turkey that way I understood that there was a large religious anti American faction but other than that I didnt think Turkey had alot of problems with the United States given that they were part of NATO and they even allowed American Nukes on their soil. 

Profit... They need us, we need them, at least for a while. Nukes are cold war legacy and they are double locked (can't be used unless both countries autorised their use). They serve no purpose, only reason they are still kept here is government don't want to loosening relations with United States.

Even those most opposing factions agrees some level of relations will be good. So am I.

Originally posted by fusong fusong wrote:

Is there a large communist party in Turkey? How do most people feel about them

No, there are several communist parties but they have little vote. But once (1970-1980s) they were powerful.  That times, they caused big havoc in country with their opposite, the nationalists. Now they are a small and marginalised community. Some of them are now liberals and supporting constitutional reforms. But somehow I know at least 20 commie friends from my school and some forums... Their opinions is still can be heard on newspapers, tv, internet, protests etc. despite their small size. And communism falled, now nobody thinks they are marionettes of Moscow nor they are evil demons.

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Was there really need for De Valera to sign the book of condolence at the German Embassy after the Fuhrer died?
 
I read a book on "The Emergency" as the Irish called WW2. I don't entirely blame them for keeping out of it, having suffered grievously from Imperialism themselves. But in the end this was a struggle to keep alive something like democracy and surely once the USA with its huge Irish population was in that would ahve been a good time for Ireland to join the war on the side of the Allies.
 
Another point: wasn't Churchill prepared to back a united Ireland in exchange for Ireland entering the war?  
 
As for Marshall Aid I believe it was open to all European nations. I believe Czechoslovakia wanted to accept the money but Moscow ruled that out.
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