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    Posted: 29 Apr 2011 at 03:51
I have had a sudden urge to play an RTS game but am very apprehensive as so what I should go for.  Last game I played was Rome Total War - Barbarian Invasion about 4 years ago.  Looking for something in the historical and/or fantasy area.


1. Any suggestions?
2. Any notable improvements in the genre since barbarian invasion - I should watch out for?

Rise of Nations is one option in this area but it reminds me too much of age of empires.

What's Starcraft like?

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Have you tried Europa Universalis by the Paradox Interactive crowd? They've made loads of interesting games like Crusader Kings as well (You mould and create a medieval dynasty as opposed to an actual nation)
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Will check that out but am in the final throws of downloading Starcraft now on the merit of its having the highest user review ratings...7.08Gb... should be occupied with that for a while.
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It's an old one but a very good one - Age of Empires II (get the Conquerors expansion back also). In terms of playability and game balance it remains one of the best strategy games of all time.

Back in the day when the MSN Gaming Zone was abuzz with people, it was one of the most popular games and human competition made it supremely interesting and clever.

And yes, it is Real Time.
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Ah, I suppose you mean Stracraft II. I bought it and I find it extremely annoying that I have to connect to the Internet in order to play. I don't have permanent connection and its just $%@#$.

The game itself is ok, but I didn't get hooked up, even though I'm a fan of most Blizzard strategy games and of course Stracraft I.
It had occured to me, already after I tried playing Warcraft III again a year or so ago, that I do not enjoy my games as much as I used to, and more speciafically, whn it comes to Warcraft and Stracraft, I kinda feel they are targeted to teenagers. When I was 15 years old I loved them, now that I'm 23, I find them kinda stupid, at least as regerds the storyline (the gameplay is also simple but i'm fine with that).

Paradox's games are not RTS, but I do recommend most of them (I haven't played them all). I think however the last generation (Europa3, Victoria2, HeartsofIron3) isn't as good as the older one.

If you liked Rome Total War, you may want to check the newer Total War games, namely the Medieval 2 + expansions, Empire + Napoleon, and I think a Shogun 2 is coming out.
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Why play "war games" when there are so many waiting opportunities for the real thing? Enlist in the military and go into the weapons tech field and you could sit in a comfortable room while operating weaponry that gives you the opportunity to zap for real?

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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Why play "war games" when there are so many waiting opportunities for the real thing? Enlist in the molitary and go into the weapons tech field and you could sit in a comfortable room while operating weaponry that gives you the opportunity to zap for real?


*Real risk of dying
*Hayfever
*Being treated like crap by your superiors
*Real risk of dying
*Sunburn
*Frostbite
*Insects
*Isolation from friends and family (though that is a very real risk for a gamer also)
*Real risk of dying
*Boredom and lack of stimulation (according to my mate who served in the US artillery
*Risk of being maimed
*Risk of developing post duty psychological trauma
*You can't just stop playing whenever you get tired or want some doritos
*You would have to learn how to keep your room clean and do your bed (by contrast, many gamers live in squalid dark rooms and play the games on an LED big screen while sitting in bed)
*If the people around you are dicks, you can just log off and play in another room - no such luck in the military
*Real risk of dying
*You can't turn down the difficulty setting when the going gets tough
*Buzz cuts don't look good on everyone
*Early starts
*If you try doing it drunk you will probably get punished
*Real risk of dying

Fin.
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If the real world where a video game where I could 'load saved game' every time I made a mistake, I'd be a trillionaire by now.
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I'm just fresh out of a 7 hour campaign session in Starcraft II Wings of Freedom, it felt more like 2 hours and depending on which way you look at it, I am lucky my girlfriend's had a cold!  Anyway, I think it's pretty good - only tried it in campaign mode.  I like how the story incrementally unfolds with each campaign.

Xristar, I have a phase every couple of years where I immerse myself in games. When I was in my early 20s it was about keeping myself away from boredom which sometimes resulted in otherwise expensive activities.

CXI - I used to play AoE and AoE II deathmatches on the old MSN gaming zone too - thing is I always want to play something new.  If I wanted to go back I would go to my favourite so far which is Rome Total War which in terms of graphics, realism and requisite military and economic acumen (strategy and tactics simulation) is unparalleled.  For example, hidden units, artillery deployment, raiding, skirmishing, holding ranks and flank attacks with specialised units was very much what made the difference.
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Why play "war games" when there are so many waiting opportunities for the real thing? Enlist in the molitary and go into the weapons tech field and you could sit in a comfortable room while operating weaponry that gives you the opportunity to zap for real?


I'm too old for that now and it is going beyond an occasional binge pass-time.
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Why Zag no one is too "old" for a golden opportunity at "plundering-and-pillaging", besides in the military with age come the comfort of running things from HQ, unless you've developed a Patton complex...Wink

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I was being technical. I am too old to enlist for something like that.  Besides, killing real people, especially from miles and miles away like a video game doesn't appeal to me.
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Originally posted by Constantine XI Constantine XI wrote:

Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Why play "war games" when there are so many waiting opportunities for the real thing? Enlist in the molitary and go into the weapons tech field and you could sit in a comfortable room while operating weaponry that gives you the opportunity to zap for real?


*Real risk of dying
*Hayfever
*Being treated like crap by your superiors
*Real risk of dying
*Sunburn
*Frostbite
*Insects
*Isolation from friends and family (though that is a very real risk for a gamer also)
*Real risk of dying
*Boredom and lack of stimulation (according to my mate who served in the US artillery
*Risk of being maimed
*Risk of developing post duty psychological trauma
*You can't just stop playing whenever you get tired or want some doritos
*You would have to learn how to keep your room clean and do your bed (by contrast, many gamers live in squalid dark rooms and play the games on an LED big screen while sitting in bed)
*If the people around you are dicks, you can just log off and play in another room - no such luck in the military
*Real risk of dying
*You can't turn down the difficulty setting when the going gets tough
*Buzz cuts don't look good on everyone
*Early starts
*If you try doing it drunk you will probably get punished
*Real risk of dying

Fin.


You forgot:

*Being looked down upon and constantly having your branch of chosen service and it's prowess criticized and or insulted by everybody on this planet. Especially true for the Western military professional.
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