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    Posted: 07 Jul 2010 at 09:37
When one discusses the impact of Christian mission on Native Americans one aspect that has not so often been discussed is the sexual abuse from the sides of the missionaries towards Native American women and children. Such abuse is already mentioned in the context of the Missions of California in the early 19th century but also in other contexts. Here is an article about abuse conducted by Jesuit missionaries in the USA. Maybe the article is not entirely objective, but it is still interesting, pointing to a phenomena that has not been talked so much about.

Quote The veil of evil protecting the Jesuit Order in the United States is finally being uncovered piece by dirty piece by a courageous investigator name Ken Bear Chief.

For the last two years, he has been investigating the wholesale sexual abuse of Native American children at Mission schools set up by the Jesuits since at least the 1940s.

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What is the difference between abusing ordinary children and native American children?
 
Is the latter act more hineous than the former?
 
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In practise there are ofcourse no difference. But for the Native American community it is one more form of opression they have been exposed to. So because of that it can have greater implications.
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Did you know Carch that people with your beliefs were the prime culprits of sexual indiscretion to the indigenous people they were protecting?
 
They had ideas pretty much identical to the ones you expressed in the Andaman thread, and were rewarded for their activism by being placed as protectors over the reserves (like Sentinal Island). It was this combination of racism and power that led to the abuse. After all, we prefer the native women wearing their traditional clothes if they're naked right?


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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Did you know Carch that people with your beliefs were the prime culprits of sexual indiscretion to the indigenous people they were protecting?
 
They had ideas pretty much identical to the ones you expressed in the Andaman thread, and were rewarded for their activism by being placed as protectors over the reserves (like Sentinal Island). It was this combination of racism and power that led to the abuse. After all, we prefer the native women wearing their traditional clothes if they're naked right?

The Jesuits and other Christian missionaries have seldom ben in favour of nakedness among native peoples. On the contrary, they have very actively promoted the wearing of western clothes. But that has obviously not stopped them from raping the women and children of the native peoples.
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Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Did you know Carch that people with your beliefs were the prime culprits of sexual indiscretion to the indigenous people they were protecting?
 
They had ideas pretty much identical to the ones you expressed in the Andaman thread, and were rewarded for their activism by being placed as protectors over the reserves (like Sentinal Island). It was this combination of racism and power that led to the abuse. After all, we prefer the native women wearing their traditional clothes if they're naked right?


Don't forget his notion of "free sex", which is open to abuse in principle.


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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:

Did you know Carch that people with your beliefs were the prime culprits of sexual indiscretion to the indigenous people they were protecting?
 
They had ideas pretty much identical to the ones you expressed in the Andaman thread, and were rewarded for their activism by being placed as protectors over the reserves (like Sentinal Island). It was this combination of racism and power that led to the abuse. After all, we prefer the native women wearing their traditional clothes if they're naked right?


Don't forget his notion of "free sex", which is open to abuse in principle.

Interestingly those who promotes notions of free sex are not more prone on rape than those who have their minds distorted by Christian or Muslim sexual neuroses.
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Well, just take a look on all the pedophile and abuse scandals in the Catholic church. They are certainly not a result of any healthy view of sexuality.

Maybe of some interest in this context is also what archeologist and ethnographer Goran Burenhult writes in his book The Islands of Love (a book about the life on Trobriand islands in Melanesia) about these things: To let children during their upbringing associate sexual lust with pain or scolding, as we so often do in our antisexual society, can directly lead to the rise of sexual perversions, often associated by violence.


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Not good enough.  I can twist facts to my own view too, like you do, but it would just make me look deluded.

High media profile does not equate to proportion.  Regardless, the Catholic Clergy is not representative in whatever afflictions it may have of Christians and Muslims. 




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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Not good enough.  I can twist facts to my own view too, like you do, but it would just make me look deluded.

High media profile does not equate to proportion.  Regardless, the Catholic Clergy is not representative in whatever afflictions it may have of Christians and Muslims. 

I did not say all Christians or Muslims were rapist or sexual offenders but an environment of antisexuality, forced celibacy and a neurotic view of sexuality do not lead to a healthy relation to sexual matters. Rape, molestation and other forms of sexual violence is often a result of an unhealthy view on sexuality often coupled with an unhealthy view of gender realations. These views occurs both in Christianity and Islam.


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Those views and much more occur in all societies.  It's called being human, no society or person can claim to be perfect (except me, of course), and we can do our best to treat the causes of certain symptoms.  However, I can see no good coming from any of the treatments you've proposed. Ever.




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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Those views and much more occur in all societies.  It's called being human, no society or person can claim to be perfect (except me, of course), and we can do our best to treat the causes of certain symptoms.  However, I can see no good coming from any of the treatments you've proposed. Ever.

Well, adressing these kind of problems can be necessary, otherwise the clock will just tick on and spell doom for many indigenous peoples.

And to try to hinder religious, cultural and economic imperialism to exterminate peoples and cultures can not be entirely wrong, or?


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There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy.

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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy. 

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Well, also doctors are a product of a society with some sexual neuroses.






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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy. 

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Well, also doctors are a product of a society with some sexual neuroses.




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In this context one can once again quote professor Burenhult about our society and sex:

Two thousand years of Christianity, and on top of that a highly civilized and institutionally governed society, has made it very difficult for us to  approach the most central part of human life, the sexual life, in an unbiased way.

He also in his book discusses how sexual repression during childhood can give rise to sexual deviances and neuroses:

Several reserchers means that erotic games among children hinders harmful sexual perversions. In the Christian Western world the sexually oriented games and plays of children have been regarded as harmful and thus ben banned and stopped, often with feelings of guilt or with pain. Experiments with monkeys have shown thhat if their young ones are hindered to perform sexually oriented games and plays then they do not evolve into normal individuals with a normal sexual behaviour. To let children during their upbringing associate sexual lust with pain or scolding, as we so often do in our antisexual society, can directly lead to the rise of sexual perversions, often associated by violence.



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No, no...not Goran Burenhult again! Carch you are simply a one-way alley littered with so much detritus that you never do pay attention to what you are reading. Do you recall Burenhult's thesis on numbers, and the minimum population needed to prevent inbreeding? The magic number is 475 hence by-by your Andamanese. Then there is your blather about pedophelia and the Jesuits as if strange sexual antics can not possibly have indigeneous roots! Not that your "source" does not have an agenda of its own and, as to be expected, is replete with its own versions of racism, bigotry, and less-than-admirable goals. These constant outbursts of hypocritical outrage have become rather tedious and whatever conclusions you constantly iterate all have the classic characteristics of non sequiturs. Spare us this constant flaming!Angry
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Those views and much more occur in all societies.  It's called being human, no society or person can claim to be perfect (except me, of course), and we can do our best to treat the causes of certain symptoms.  However, I can see no good coming from any of the treatments you've proposed. Ever.
 
I'd like to give this post -- if I could -- a plug for candidacy for Post of the Month. It's concise, straight to the point, and lightly salted with a pinch of humor. It's also a point that I believe many of us, all too often, tend to overlook. Humanity can become at times, well, human.
 
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy.

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Good point, Parnell.
 
I don't think our dear "secularists" would like to hear these types of syllogisms, though. It doesn't much help their case. I will admit, however, that Christians have been making a profession -- or so it seems -- out of contradicting the message that they've sworn to live by.
 
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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

No, no...not Goran Burenhult again! Carch you are simply a one-way alley littered with so much detritus that you never do pay attention to what you are reading. Do you recall Burenhult's thesis on numbers, and the minimum population needed to prevent inbreeding? The magic number is 475 hence by-by your Andamanese. Then there is your blather about pedophelia and the Jesuits as if strange sexual antics can not possibly have indigeneous roots! Not that your "source" does not have an agenda of its own and, as to be expected, is replete with its own versions of racism, bigotry, and less-than-admirable goals. These constant outbursts of hypocritical outrage have become rather tedious and whatever conclusions you constantly iterate all have the classic characteristics of non sequiturs. Spare us this constant flaming!Angry

Well, the numbers on indbreeding varies among different authors, so some say around 500 while some say lower and some say higher.

About sexual antics, they can exist in most societies but it seems that the risk for sexual antics and sexual violence is higher in societies with a more neurotic approach to sexuality.

Do not forget that many western countries still are steeped with Christian views of sexuality and Christian moral. And these ideas can affect people even on a subconscious level.



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More about Jesuits and sexual abuse against Native Americans:

Quote Alaska Natives expand sex-abuse suit against Jesuits

Twenty more plaintiffs and a defendant were added to a lawsuit filed by dozens of Alaska Natives who say they were abused as children and teens by Jesuits or those supervised by Jesuits.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2008709219_jesuit05m0.html




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Certain positions of responsibility, be they in medicine, politics, military or religion, are more likely to attract the bad breed of person who will seek to exploit the privileges over other people they are granted.  To blame that certain profession itself for creating the environment for abuse is ill founded, alarmist, naive and inane.  
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Originally posted by Zagros Zagros wrote:

Certain positions of responsibility, be they in medicine, politics, military or religion, are more likely to attract the bad breed of person who will seek to exploit the privileges over other people they are granted.  To blame that certain profession itself for creating the environment for abuse is ill founded, alarmist, naive and inane.  

Yes, certain positions will ofcourse always attract bad peple. But at the same time the unsound and sexually neurotic ideology of certain churches and denominations also makes some people who live and work in the frames of them more unable to handle certain relations.
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Here is an article about how the impact of Christian mission (including sexual abuse against its victims) has contributed (together with other factors)  to a high rate of suicide among Native Americans in Canada:

Quote Culture stress: The Canadian government's policies included the destruction of much of Native culture, values and religion. With the help of the Christian churches, these traditions were largely replaced with Christianity. The main players were the Roman Catholic Church, Anglican Church of Canada and the United Church of Canada. Many native children grow up with little knowledge of their original culture. The government financed religious institutions so that they could establish residential school systems. Sometimes, children were kidnapped and taken long distances from their communities. In school, they were isolated from their families or origin and forcibly stripped of their language, religion, traditions and culture. Not mentioned in Coulthard's essay was the extremely high level of physical and sexual abuse suffered by Native children at the religious schools. The result has been, depression, difficulty in effectively parenting future generations, loss of culture -- and suicide.


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Originally posted by arch.buff arch.buff wrote:

Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy.

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Good point, Parnell.
 
I don't think our dear "secularists" would like to hear these types of syllogisms, though. It doesn't much help their case. I will admit, however, that Christians have been making a profession -- or so it seems -- out of contradicting the message that they've sworn to live by.
 
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You're talking about a secularist here, but I do think its important that people get to grips with scale and proportion about these things. Especially when it comes to demonising an entire group because of the actions of a few. Nobody suggests that doctors are unfit to be members of their community because some of them took the 'physical examination' a step too far...
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

Originally posted by arch.buff arch.buff wrote:

Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

There are more legal cases of sexual impropreity involving doctors proportionally than there is legal cases of sexual impropriety involving priests proportionally. Therefore members of the medical profession are more likely to be sexual deviants than Catholic clergy.

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Good point, Parnell.
 
I don't think our dear "secularists" would like to hear these types of syllogisms, though. It doesn't much help their case. I will admit, however, that Christians have been making a profession -- or so it seems -- out of contradicting the message that they've sworn to live by.
 
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You're talking about a secularist here, but I do think its important that people get to grips with scale and proportion about these things. Especially when it comes to demonising an entire group because of the actions of a few. Nobody suggests that doctors are unfit to be members of their community because some of them took the 'physical examination' a step too far...

There can ofcourse be abusers in all groups. But as with doctors there might be that people are more eager to report abuse when it comes to doctors. When it comes to children in the grip of churches and religious schools and orphanages there is probably a large portion of not reported cases because children have not always the capability or strenht to report abuse and also because of the covering up from churches and denominations. The cover up is rather understandable in an unsound religious environment where sex and talk about sex is taboo. 

That some priests, missionaries and other workers in religious institutions become sexual molesters are not surprising since many of them have themselves been brought up in religious homes or environments with an unhealthy view of sex and sexuality. In some of these people this, combined with the nature of their work, and the phsycological climate they work in, can most probably lead to sexual disturbances.






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Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

No, no...not Goran Burenhult again!

Professor Burenhult is a much knowledgeable man. I have myself had the pleasure to attend some of his lectures and to talk and discuss with him. He has done some interesting research, written several books and made extensive travels to different parts of the world. 


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That some priests, missionaries and other workers in religious institutions become sexual molesters are not surprising since many of them have themselves been brought up in religious homes or environments with an unhealthy view of sex and sexuality. In some of these people this, combined with the nature of their work, and the phsycological climate they work in, can most probably lead to sexual disturbances.
 
Surely, Carcharodon, you would be willing to leave open the possibility that your view of sex and sexuality might, all things considered, be the "unhealthy" one, would you not?
 
I take your views of sex and sexuality to be the same as the modern-day, post-Sexual Revolutionary view. If I have confused your stance, I apologize.
 
Now, in the event that this "golden age of free sex" is not the healthiest approach, I would humbly submit that these sinful priets are not so much acting out their actions due to some sort of distorted view of sex, but that they themselves have given in to exactly the distorted and unhelathy views of sex that their Church so staunchly disagrees with.
 
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You're talking about a secularist here, but I do think its important that people get to grips with scale and proportion about these things. Especially when it comes to demonising an entire group because of the actions of a few. Nobody suggests that doctors are unfit to be members of their community because some of them took the 'physical examination' a step too far...
 
You may be a secularist, Parnell, but you sure don't seem to be a radical secularist, which is why I pointed out the objectivity in your post.Thumbs Up
 
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