| FORUM | ARCHIVE |                    | TOTAL QUIZ RESULT |


  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - How to kill an elephant
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Welcome stranger, click here to read about some of the great benefits of registering for a free account with us and joining us in our global online community.


How to kill an elephant

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Omar al Hashim View Drop Down
WorldHistoria Master
WorldHistoria Master


Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Bush Capital
Status: Offline
Points: 7823
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: How to kill an elephant
    Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 10:59
Your an ordinary solider of the ancient period. You have a bow, sword, spear, horse whatever you can think of, and now you have to face a detachment of war elephants.
What do you do?

I've heard the best thing is to go for the trunk. If their trunk is injured the elephant will panic and go berserk.
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 11:55
It was not really your job to try and kill the beast, but rather to make it panic and run from the battlefield (preferably through the ranks of friendly soldiers behind it).

Accounts of warfare among the Diadochi and with Rome against her enemies provides some rich information on the topic. The general area to aim for (with your javelin or perhaps pike, you don't want to get too close) is the beast's genitals or anus.
Back to Top
Flipper View Drop Down
Caliph
Caliph
Avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Location: Anatolia&Balkan
Status: Offline
Points: 2798
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 17:36
Of course, i wouldn't try to kill it. I would use shepherd dogs that would turn the elephant division towards its own army. Elephants do not know who are the good and the bad guys.
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
Back to Top
Birddog View Drop Down
Consul
Consul
Avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 386
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Birddog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 18:09
Pliny the Elder reported the use of squealing pigs to frighten the war elephants of Pyrrhus.
Back to Top
Harburs View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar
Avatar
Chieftain

Joined: 10 Feb 2006
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 3144
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Harburs Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 18:44
Aim for the eyes. 
Back to Top
Omar al Hashim View Drop Down
WorldHistoria Master
WorldHistoria Master


Joined: 05 Jan 2006
Location: Bush Capital
Status: Offline
Points: 7823
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Omar al Hashim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Sep 2009 at 21:57
Originally posted by CXI CXI wrote:


Accounts of warfare among the Diadochi and with Rome against her enemies provides some rich information on the topic. The general area to aim for (with your javelin or perhaps pike, you don't want to get too close) is the beast's genitals or anus.

I'm not sure about in the middle east, but in India elephants were used in divisions. Getting behind an elephant could be quite difficult!
Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I would use shepherd dogs that would turn the elephant division towards its own army.

Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:


Pliny the Elder reported the use of squealing pigs to frighten the war elephants of Pyrrhus.

As far as I know though, these aren't regular tactics. So I'm not sure about how repeatable they would be
Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 02 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Oct 2009 at 06:21
Try this summation:
 
 
And then turn to the standard reference for further research:
 
John Warry. Warfare in the Classical World: An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Weapons, Warriors, and Warfare in the Ancient Civilizations of Greece and Rome (originally published by University of Oklahoma Press in 1995 but now in a later edition published by Hackenberry: Dallas, 2001).
 
 


Edited by drgonzaga - 01 Oct 2009 at 06:21
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Flipper View Drop Down
Caliph
Caliph
Avatar

Joined: 23 Apr 2006
Location: Anatolia&Balkan
Status: Offline
Points: 2798
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Flipper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 22:38
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Omar al Hashim wrote:


Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:

I would use shepherd dogs that would turn the elephant division towards its own army.

Originally posted by Birddog Birddog wrote:


Pliny the Elder reported the use of squealing pigs to frighten the war elephants of Pyrrhus.

As far as I know though, these aren't regular tactics. So I'm not sure about how repeatable they would be


Those two types of dogs below are specializing in leading and organizing groups of sheeps and goats. There're known to be fearless and can protect the group from a wolf attack even if that means they will lose an ear or be deadly wounded.

My idea was that the same way they can create formations for goat-groups they could mislead the elephants to run towards their own army. Even if that would fail, the dogs are maneuverable enough to make the elephants stuck in one position while the army takes care of the rest.

Of course, the repeatability is an issue as the elephant riders could use arrows to exterminate them. In that case, a small army could follow the dogs from behind and strike the riders from distance while the elephants are dealing with the dogs.








Another technique originating from the modern warfare against tanks, would be to create spear balls that could be rolled in front of the elephants running. The elephant would not be able to avoid the collision which would lead into wounding the animal enough to abandon the battle or render it useless. (it's damn cruel and i'm sorry to say this, but we're talking about warfare)





Edited by Flipper - 05 Oct 2009 at 22:41
FΑΝΑΚΤΟΥ ΜΙΔΑ ΓΟΝΟΣ
Back to Top
Guests View Drop Down
Guest Group
Guest Group
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 23:18
Originally posted by Omar Omar wrote:

I'm not sure about in the middle east, but in India elephants were used in divisions. Getting behind an elephant could be quite difficult!


Even so, there remains the distinct possibility that these elephants could be delayed, lose formation, turn about etc. Opportunities to strike at an exposed rear or genital area would be expected to develop in the course of a large battle. Flanking and ambush maneouvres can also be used to make this happen.

Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:



Another technique originating from the modern warfare against tanks, would be to create spear balls that could be rolled in front of the elephants running. The elephant would not be able to avoid the collision which would lead into wounding the animal enough to abandon the battle or render it useless. (it's damn cruel and i'm sorry to say this, but we're talking about warfare)


If I am not mistaken, the word for these devices is caltrop. I certainly think this could present a viable option for stopping even a well coordinated charge by a large group of elephants.

The use of pigs covered in pitch and set alight by the Romans when fighting Pyhrrus is one of the most imaginative tactics I have yet encountered in my studies of warfare as a whole. Even the most historically disinclined of my friends finds it a highly entertaining story to listen to as we sink a few beers; and after we make jokes about the post-battle barbeque that must have occurred LOL
Back to Top
Giannis View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary
Avatar

Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 17
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Oct 2009 at 23:48
Originally posted by Flipper Flipper wrote:


Those two types of dogs below are specializing in leading and organizing groups of sheeps and goats. There're known to be fearless and can protect the group from a wolf attack even if that means they will lose an ear or be deadly wounded.

My idea was that the same way they can create formations for goat-groups they could mislead the elephants to run towards their own army. Even if that would fail, the dogs are maneuverable enough to make the elephants stuck in one position while the army takes care of the rest.

 
Dogs are great in guarding and leading sheeps, but not elephants for two reasons. First, elephants are not threaten by wolves and second sheeps follow dogs because of fear, they see them as predators, elephants don't.
Back to Top
es_bih View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar

Joined: 20 Dec 2006
Status: Offline
Points: 6365
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote es_bih Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 10:10
Welcome back Giannis long time no see 
Back to Top
Giannis View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary
Avatar

Joined: 25 May 2006
Location: Greece
Status: Offline
Points: 17
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Giannis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 18:09
Thanks Smile
Back to Top
Birddog View Drop Down
Consul
Consul
Avatar

Joined: 23 Aug 2009
Location: Australia
Status: Offline
Points: 386
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Birddog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Oct 2009 at 21:12

I know that Pliny the Elder reported the use of squealing pigs being used against Pyrrhus but I don't remember him reporting them being set on fire. I remember reports of the Ox-lead charriots with the big spikes to wound, pots of fire and skirmishers using javlins (the common method of anti elpehant warfare) but not buring pigs. 

Aelian reported that duirng the siege of Megrara during the Diadochi Wars pigs were doused in oil and set on fire to rout the emeny elephants.
Back to Top
Nick1986 View Drop Down
Janissary
Janissary


Joined: 26 Mar 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 14
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Jun 2011 at 03:03
In modern times you would kill an elephant with a shot between the eyes with a .577 Tyrannosaur. In ancient times i'd use a similarly powerful projectile weapon like a ballista or catapult with a detachment of archers and row of sharpened stakes protecting it from enemy infantry
Back to Top
lirelou View Drop Down
Chieftain
Chieftain
Avatar

Joined: 26 Mar 2009
Location: Tampa, FL
Status: Offline
Points: 1346
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lirelou Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 14:59
An unnamed Cobra pilot in Vietnam did it with a 2.75 inch rocket up the behind. I'm happy to report that Vietnam still has elephants, and on a trip between Pleiku and Ban Me thuot via bus in 2009, we saw two ambling along the highway under the control of their 'drivers'. The next day, we caught a bus in from of the BMT city flower garden out to Ban Don, the traditional elephant market village near what is now a national park, and spent several hours touring the park via elephant for the equivalent of $5.00.   

Edited by lirelou - 01 Jul 2011 at 15:09
Phong trần mài một lưỡi gươm, Những loài giá áo túi cơm sá gì
Back to Top
benzin View Drop Down
Immortal Guard
Immortal Guard


Joined: 25 Jun 2011
Status: Offline
Points: 3
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote benzin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jul 2011 at 21:56
Id jump on my horse and bow the hell out of their riders. At least thats what my ancestors would done with elephants.
Back to Top
gcle2003 View Drop Down
WorldHistoria Master
WorldHistoria Master
Avatar
PM Honorary Member

Joined: 06 Dec 2004
Location: Luxembourg
Status: Offline
Points: 13238
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02 Jul 2011 at 00:40
I've been waiting for an answer from the students of such elephant lore as how an elephant gets down from a tree, how many elephants you can get into a Volkswagen. why they didn't turn up for the lion's party, and what you get if you cross an elephant with a whale.
 
But so much for nostalgia, I guess.
 
If the question is about a yellow elephant however the answer is straightforward. You paint it blue and shoot it with a blue elephant gun.
Citizen of Ankh-Morpork.

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied - Sir Humphrey Appleby, 1984.

Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 12.01
Copyright ©2001-2018 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.092 seconds.