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Hello !

As I specify in my title, I live in Belgium, and I'm here to get help for a personal project which I'm working on. Smile
I take an interest in history but I've never followed a university course in the subject, I'm studying it by myself. This enables me to focus on one specific period which particularly interests me.
I'm fond in history and keen on role playing-games, more specifically the game entitled "Call of Cthulhu", based on the stories of the author H. P. Lovecraft.

My goal is to write a book which will conciliate the strictness of History and the enjoyment of the game, by establishing a list of characters who have marked their time between 1870 and 1939, and whose profiles can be included in the framework of the game, bearing in mind the historical elements of their biography.

In advance, excuse me if I make some mistakes, English is not my mother tongue, and thanks to all who will help me ! Smile
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Are you a Walloon or a Flemish? Or maybe another background? English must be a piece of cake for you if you speak Flemish Tongue

By the way, many prominent historians from my country actually from another professions. Religion, health and history are three areas that everyone think they know a lot about it but infact only the tip of the iceberg Tongue
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I'm from Brussels, and my mother language is French, but I learned English when I was at school.

And I have to admit I realize, more I learn about history, more I have to learn Wink


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Congratulations on your excellent English!  We may be able to help you with aspects of your characters from our own rather colorful family, but please indicate what you are looking for.  We have done genealogy on parts of our family back to around 900 A.D.  Regards.
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Hah! I only know my paternal ancestors to six generation back. Nobody has such an interest on genealogy as Americans has Tongue




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You are right, many Americas do this and I think it's a good thing.  But most of us don't search so hard as a means to prove any sort of superiority for self-gratification.  I keep hoping this searching will come to sensitize "Americans" more to the rest of the human family and get rid of the horrible racism and xenophobia that persists here and that we manage to spread everywhere else.  Too bad the "white" supremicists everywhere don't require dna to prove their "whiteness," no?  Their groups would disappear.  My mitochondrial dna says I am mostly "Sami," the aboriginals who migrated out of the Asian Steppes 30,000 years ago into northern europe -- at one point some adopted the viking culture.  It is suspected that these migrants also crossed the polar ice cap during the last ice age into N. America to become Native Americans.  It drives me crazy to see Americans looking back a few generations to "prove" their ethnicity. And I am as white, blue-eyed and fair-haired as the next "white" person. But I do not see myself among the human family as such.
 
My hope is that everyone everywhere will feel the human bond more when all share what I believe is my ownly true ancestry.  The great family from the same sweet mother Lucy -- that lovely, gracile female who first walked upright on the African savannah.   Sort of puts it all into perspective, no? 
 
Best regards, and keep reaching.
 
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Welcome to the forum!Smile
 
I might be able to help with the game if you want some characters from the Eastern Side of the world. I grew up in the '30s, but I can help looking at records dating back to the 1860s in my family and copies of Imperial records (used by lower court officials, we kept them in case the government collapsed and the records were going to be burned, the government collapsed but the cases of the recorded manuscripts are still around)
 
 
PS: My english isn't very good either so I understand Tongue


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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

Hah! I only know my paternal ancestors to six generation back. Nobody has such an interest on genealogy as Americans has Tongue




 
Hey, don't forget Chinese records! My lineage is mixed so much we aren't sure which ethnicity I am. Part Han, part Shi, part Xianbei, part Manchu, part Ughyur, I'm like a friggin pie LOL
 
But, we found a box of records that go further back than the Cao Wei, Shu Han, and Sun Wu territories at the fall of the Eastern Han
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To Lao Tse:  An 84-year-old friggin pie is the very, very best of all the pies!  There is so much I wish I could learn from you.  Wa xing Bei Mei Hwa, Ni hao?
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To kaysu:
Wo cheng Smile
 
Aww thanks, this 84-year-old pie is the best of pies Embarrassed
But even at my age theres a lot more to learn from the younger ones LOL
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@kaysu, do you have slight eye folds too? Sometimes I think I have very very slight eye folds Tongue I remember we called children with slightly folded eyes "Japanese" in school, they were very rare though.

@Lao Tse, Uigurs are mixed people, their genetic admixture is somewhere like %55 asian and %45 caucasian and that makes a slice of you caucasian. 

Why we hijacked Surahki's thread Tongue
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Are you Wo Cheng? Or Lao Tse?  Or does Wo Cheng mean something?  I am learning this system just today and haven't quite figured it out.
Don'tworry about Surahki, maybe he's asleep so we can type quietly and not wake him.  Thumbs Up  Of four of my mother's children, Mom and I have the most pronounced eye folds although the eye shape does not match the almond japanese type. They are, interestingly, elongated upward. I have the electric blue of my father's German eyes and not the black of my mother's, but do have her high cheek bones. Why do you ask?  My son's deceased father was Persian/Arab/Kurdish so between the two of us I jokingly tell my son that he has acquired three caucasian toes. I am so glad that racial features are no longer of much importance to the newer generations in the U.S. (I guess depending upon where you are nesting). My family over the generations and I have worked so hard to end racial discrimination/.  Tell me about yourself.  We are not that far apart in age, and I believe we can only learn technology from the younger people.  They seem to be uninterested in much of anything else, do you agree?  saamigirl
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Wow wow wow, what a number of answers ! Many thanks for your enthusiasm and your kindness, I think it will be fun to work here !
But be careful, I am not making genealogy inquiries, I'm looking for specific information about some specific historical characters. And for my precise needings, I will develop those in specific topics, one character = one topic. I know it works, i've already made it on other forums :)
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I always thought myself as a neanderthal, I've very pronounced eyebrow bridges and my sister always called me a barbarian when I looted her snacks Tongue Did you mean grey by electric blue? If it appears green or blue depending on light level, then it is most likely grey. We men are not sensitive to shades of colours as much as women Tongue I have grey eyes too. 

Don't worry, commoners will gradually lose their fear of "alien" as they get more and more accustomed to them. If it fails, then the Master should unite all mankind into one single race of supermutants! That's scenario of Post-Apocalyptic role playing game Fallout. According to scenario, nuclear apocalypse occurs in 2077 after a decade of war between China and USA over scarce resources. You start to game as a resident of an underground vault in Southern California in 2161. Your vault's water chip is broken and the vault only has left a few months of water supply. Naturally you are chosen by your vault's people to find a new waterchip. Vault's door opens after 84 years and you start completely unaware of outside world just as other vault residents. As game progress, you discover a religious organisation called the Unity in almost every place you went. They perform charity and medical care for poor people around them and they don't appear to be suspicious. Later you discover true secret, they are actually controlled by a human-machine cyborg called "the Master" for gradually converting humanity to "supermutants" with Forced Evolutionary Virus, uniting them into one race for his plans of "perfect world".

That's the thing I love about computer technology, it give us interactivity. They are like novel's of the past but they do have interactivity. For example, you can change end of the game, you can side with the Master or you can defeat him. 

The player defeats the Master in this video by convincing he is wrong (just pay attention how a complex character he is):




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@kaysu: Wo cheng means: I'm ok and still strong

@PoH: Oh boy thats going to be tough to explain at the next family meeting in about 6 hours
@Surakhi: Okay then. Well, what are said topics? Smile
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Originally posted by Paradigm of Humanity Paradigm of Humanity wrote:

I always thought myself as a neanderthal, I've very pronounced eyebrow bridges and my sister always called me a barbarian when I looted her snacks Tongue Did you mean grey by electric blue? If it appears green or blue depending on light level, then it is most likely grey. We men are not sensitive to shades of colours as much as women Tongue I have grey eyes too. 
 
My grandson has grey eyes, it's kind of strange considerring his father, and mother, and all of his grandparents have brown eyes except for my lucky jade-green eyes. He and I have one thing in common, we're the odd-balls of the family Tongue. And my brother called me a barbarian whenever I looted his money box, but he's the one who stole all my money to buy stupid stuff like candy and shoes and a hat (what on Earth was he thinking?! Theres a reason why our father taught me how to make a hat out of straw, and shoes out of cloth strips, but noooooo, that wasn't good enough for my evil brother). We never really did get allong too well, but now we live next door and if he acts up I can get Lady Cao to go egg his house LOL


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@Lao Tse, Unlike common sense suggests, recessive genes are not any less likely inherited than dominant ones. They just more rarely appear as phenotype. So, your Uigur ancestry is most likely candicate for your otherwise unusual eye colour among East Asian populations. 

Originally posted by Surahki Surahki wrote:

Wow wow wow, what a number of answers ! Many thanks for your enthusiasm and your kindness, I think it will be fun to work here !
But be careful, I am not making genealogy inquiries, I'm looking for specific information about some specific historical characters. And for my precise needings, I will develop those in specific topics, one character = one topic. I know it works, i've already made it on other forums :)

I do really hate details about such topics Smile I only interested about major picture. Although I have great interest on history of warfare. I really fascinated by small details like different materials used in a composite bow, a specific helmet etc... There is a museum idea on my mind, "History of Warfare", from ancient to modern, every era of warfare will be represented with original and replica materials, pictures, interactive materials and wax statues. Materials will include weapons, war machines, armour, clothing and uniforms. It would be nice if an empty land could be found near a military academy - unlikely. A guy in Istanbul has made 150+ such wax soldier statues from almost every era, a viking, a Napoleon era French Fusilier, a Janissary from 16th century etc... Just the thing I needed. But problem is I'm a nobody at this point or a biology drop out to be precise Tongue But greater problem is passing maggot bureuacracy and convincing the Ministry of Culture to allocate funds for it. Another option is getting funds from the Ministry of Education, which has much greater budget but my best bet is the Ministry of Defence I think. They'll appriate this more than that weasel civilian bureuacrats.
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I have green eyes too, the first in my family as far as we can remember. My three sons all also have green eyes, but none of my grandchildren.  Maybe we just mutated.
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Just one thing, I know I'm new on this forum, so I can't say how it has to work, but it seems this topic was just for my presentation, so is this really the right place for this debate ?
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Surahki:  My comments up until now have been out of my love for socio-anthropology, which I understand would not be of the greatest interest to you.  The genealogical info I offered are the documented personal lives and experiences of everyone in my father's family going back many generations.  The most recent family event was the acknowedgement of a cousin (4x) at arlington national cemetery a few weeks ago (broadcast on tv).  he was a gunner on the civil war ironclad "Monitor" which made u.s. naval history.  contact me privately and I can give you access to sources on the internet for the family which you may want to review.  Your project is wonderful -- I look forward to following it.
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Surahki: Oh dear, now I understand some things. apologies to all. I responded to a comment I thought was from one person, but was from another. All the "eye-fold" and racial interest was not from whom I thought it was, so sorry. I am pleased to discuss those topics via anthropoligical interests, but not socio-political. PoH: Now I understand -- you are probably American military or a child thereof living in Turkey. And here I thought I had an opportunity to learn much about Turkish people and culture. Oh well. Please share with me some of what you've learned of that great civilization during your time there, it may certainly be valuable to Surahki.  Regarding electric blue eye color (from my father) PoH -- ask a woman to describe the blue sky - only neon. 
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Lao Tse: Can we borrow Lady Cao some day? Learning Patience is the Greatest Moral Virtue:  My barbarian little brother's head is shaped like an egg.  Due to his bad behavior, my older sister and I made him place his head in between two wooden bars on the back of a chair.  Two hours later when our parents returned, he had painfully attained the Greatest Moral Virtue.  Today he is stinking rich and we are not.
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LOL I'll see if she wants to. She's still in kind of recuperation from our family move, we had to look in a lot of places to find everybody and she's still sorting things out whileI pay off a few loans we had to get.
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Lao Tse:  Please make sure Lady Cao's egg-throwing arm is in good shape.  Could you possibly translate the following for me?  It's a true bit of centuries-old family wisdom passed down through my father's family for many generations:
"It is never wise to disrespect family elders, especially the very oldest and weakest of us all.  For although Great-Grandmother's Frailty of Life requires a walking stick, she can still knock you on your ass with it."  I want to put that at the end of my messages.  Thank you, friend!
 
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Originally posted by kaysu kaysu wrote:

-PoH: Now I understand -- you are probably American military or a child thereof living in Turkey. And here I thought I had an opportunity to learn much about Turkish people and culture. Oh well. Please share with me some of what you've learned of that great civilization during your time there, it may certainly be valuable to Surahki.

Yeah, certainly very interesting and exotic place, once I even rode a camel. Just kidding, I'm an actual Turk and I only saw a camel once: in zoo Tongue

Here is my "hello" thread a few years ago, you can see some information and pictures about my local culture, just scroll down a bit. But I didn't specifically speak about Turkish culture because it's big and not uniform.



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Thank you PoH, I will read it with great interest.  I know what you mean about diversity of culture -- sort of like the "American" culture -- a bit of everything. 
 
Do you work on a military base there?  Seems like you are interested in everything military.
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To kaysu: I'll get to work on it Smile. Do you want it in Traditonal, Simplified, or Pinyin script? (Pinyin is the english spelling of Chinese characters)
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@Lao Tse

I have green eyes too, the first in my family as far as we can remember. My three sons all also have green eyes, but none of my grandchildren.  Maybe we just mutated.
 
LOL We could be mutated
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Lao Tse:  Pinyin, please!  How kind you are!  I studied Harvard-Yale formula Mandarin while in high school, but these 50 years later I have of course forgotten it.  Except for my name, Bei Mai Hwa.  Xi-Xi-ni Xienxien!
 
Can you guess I am the current "great-grandmother" with walking stick of my family's favorite funny saying?  You are a dear friend.  Star  Thank you.
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