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Interesting story.  There are two kinds of people in regards to stories like this, realists who believe such things are too good to be true.  They have a sobriety to them, a skepticism that in many ways, completely misses the point.  And Romantic who believe that such things are too good to not be true.  Truth is stranger than fiction, and why shouldn't such an etymology and prophecy inspire Francis?  Names are funny things, how much does Donald Trump's name play into his unorthodox candidacy and election to the President.  A trump card beats everything else, unfortunately it can't make him easier for others to work with.  Is it a coincidence that Gates developed Windows?  I don't know.  Not completely, but it may have something to do with picking the metaphor used for the Microsoft GUI operating system.
What's in a name?  Is a rose by any other name, smell just as sweet? 

I think the best example I have ever seen of someone having a positive impression of someone because of their name, is flipping the channels on the TV in a motel in Wyoming, I saw Julia Roberts grinning on the TV, saying "I love... Lovett!"  Her marriage to Lyle Lovett lasted from 1993-1995, I cannot help but imagine that they were mismatched, but then again I don't pay much attention to Hollywood gossip.  I wish her well, and Lyle well too.


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Must you drag Trump all over these boards like a rag doll?

Does everything we discuss relate to Trump?

I could do with a safe space, maybe I need an emotional support dog like liberal leftist.
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No, I do think names mean something to their guardians (In Boulder Colorado, pets don't have owners, they have "guardians.")  And so I think the T. word is relevant, because of the way people associate names with things.  So kiss your dog (preferably on the neck), and live with it. :P  ;)

I have been reading a prayer book of the Companions of St Anthony lately, St. Anthony of Padua was an Augustinian who came to follow St. Francis of Assisi, although I don't know if they ever met or St. Anthony was slightly after.  Kind of spiritually uplifting, although all the Virgin Mary stuff is a little heavy for a Protestant like me.

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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I don't think Francis of Assisi fought in the Crusades, he _went_ on the Crusade, because he wanted to get martyred.  He preached to the Muslims, but the sultan liked him too much and sent him home with gifts.  Some people have all the bad luck! :(

The Great Courses CD on St. Francis of Assisi said that the Albigensian heretics did not recognize the Catholics as Christian because of, amongst other things, their wealth and power.  I don't know what exactly is the relationship between the Cathars and the Albigensians were.  I believe the Crusade to the South of France was called the Albigensian Crusade?  Is that correct?

btw, I say "Francis of Assisi" because I am Protestant, and at least _I_ don't recognize saints as such.  The CD, however, was St. Francis.... and so I say the full name there.  Likewise, I am an American, and so I don't particularly recognize "Sir Isaac Newton," or "Sir Stephen Hawking."  It is nice they got "stirred" but we ran out the British because of that stuff.



I don't believe he fought either...but at the expense of repetitive comments...what isn't widely known is that sources indicate he was indeed a soldier from 1202-1203 iirc. He was apparently captured and held pow for a year.
So among other reasons that I admire the great man; he earns cudos for that as well.
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Point taken.
I don't really think of him as a soldier, as far as I know he "fought" in one battle with a neighboring town, and got captured.  But, I do think he would have experienced the follies of war.  Did he ever kill anyone? I would like to think not.  But, that is what I like, not necessarily the reality (and I understand that).  I wonder what St Francis of Assisi relationship with death was, both early on, and later.  I am sure that death, in battle in neighboring towns, in the Middle East, just in general, was much more familiar then.

Out of curiosity, is there any other (famous) Saints named Francis in the Catholic Church, or did de Assisi break the mold?
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88 total if the Catholic Register is correct but the top three are found in the link. I suppose the other 85 were famous in their time and local.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/dicamillo/3-other-great-saints-named-francis





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I forgot about Francis Xavier, didn't know anything about him, but forgot about him.

 I wonder how many came after Francis of Assisi, and how many before.  I assume that most of the popularity of the name came after.

I wonder about the origin of the name, (no I don't know), I know that the Franks were named after an axe they used, and the Saxons after a knife called the scramisax.  Or something like that.  It would be another level of irony if Francis of Assisi ultimately got his name from a weapon of war.

Fascist France had a big double axe on their coins.   Most Axis coinage is rather ugly, partially because they are poorly made (cruder, and poor metal), but also partially because of heavy propagandistic message of their 'art'.

What is it, "5 degrees of Kevin Bacon, how to 'connect' St. Francis to the Third Reich"???  In appearances only.
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English form of the Late Latin name Franciscus which meant "Frenchman", ultimately from the Germanic tribe of the Franks, who were named for a type of spear that they used. This name was borne by the 13th-century Saint Francis of Assisi, who was originally named Giovanni but was given the nickname Francesco by his father, an admirer of the French. Francis went on to renounce his father's wealth and devote his life to the poor, founding the Franciscan order of friars. Later in his life he apparently received the stigmata.

Due to the renown of the saint, this name became widespread in Western Europe during the Middle Ages. However, it was not regularly used in Britain until the 16th century. Famous bearers include Saint Francis Xavier (1506-1552), a missionary to East Asia, the philosopher and scientist Francis Bacon (1561-1626), and the explorer and admiral Sir Francis Drake (1540-1595). In the English-speaking world this name is occasionally used for girls.

Ha! & a Borgia Francis!
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Personally. If he was still around, I'd like to think he and I could have had a cold one at my local pub.
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Originally posted by Dark Warrior Dark Warrior wrote:

Personally. If he was still around, I'd like to think he and I could have had a cold one at my local pub.

Yea but first he'd make you scrub the pub :)
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Me I always been drawn to the 'warrior' Saints legendary and real. lol.

And lets not forget the ladies....the ones who promoted reform, education, relief and assistance, for the poor and displaced. Diseased and dying.

Our Moderator friend has one such. Perhaps he knows of her.

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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by Dark Warrior Dark Warrior wrote:

Personally. If he was still around, I'd like to think he and I could have had a cold one at my local pub.


Yea but first he'd make you scrub the pub :)


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