| FORUM | LIBRARY | ARCHIVE | E-BOOKS |                     | TOTAL QUIZ RESULT |


  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Find five errors in this picture.
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


Welcome stranger, click here to read about some of the great benefits of registering for a free account with us and joining us in our global online community.


Find five errors in this picture.

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Carcharodon View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Northern Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 4938
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carcharodon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Find five errors in this picture.
    Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 19:23

Find five errors in this picture.

This is the painting Valdemar Atterdag branskattar Visby (Valdemar Atterdag holding Visby to ransom, 1361) painted in 1882 by Swedish artist Carl Gustav Hellqvist. It depicts the moment when the Danish king extract the treasures of the town Visby on the island of Gotland in 1361. Before the qonquest of Visby the Danish troops had fought a poorly armed and trained army of peasants outside Visby. When the peasants wanted to come inside the town and continue their fight for defence there, the city dwellers refused. The result was the slaughter of the peasants by professional Danish knights and soldiers at a place called Korsbetningen.

Later the Danish could march into the city.

When the painter made the picture he was rather careful with details but not enough. There are still some anachronisms, errors and mistakes. Can you point them out?
 

I hope others will put other historical pictures in this thread so we can point out the errors in them.



Pic from: http://konst.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/valdemar-atterdag-brandskattar-visby.jpg


Will you see a larger image and study more details, check out this link:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/d/d0/20071220055647!Valdemar_Atterdag_brandskattar_Visby_(1882).jpg


Edited by Carcharodon - 11 Nov 2009 at 09:19
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
Seko View Drop Down
Administrator
Administrator
Avatar

Joined: 01 Sep 2004
Location: United States
Status: Offline
Points: 11710
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 19:33
I found one, what is Ulrich von Hutton ( man with the red hat) doing in that photo? 
Back to Top
gcle2003 View Drop Down
WorldHistoria Master
WorldHistoria Master
Avatar
PM Honorary Member

Joined: 06 Dec 2004
Location: Luxembourg
Status: Offline
Points: 13257
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2009 at 19:47
What he always does - lightening the atmosphere.
Citizen of Ankh-Morpork.

Never believe anything until it has been officially denied - Sir Humphrey Appleby, 1984.

Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 00:13
Well, for one thing, the buildings portrayed are much taller than the fortifications of Visby that survive today! Their presence in the background of the painting is more than anachronistic it is sheer fantasy. Then those gothic portals in the background bear no resemblance to Sankta Marya Kyrka, which still stands in the town square. There are certain details in armament that don't sit right but then many of the costumes portrayed are "out of place", none more so than that maiden right in the center!

Edited by drgonzaga - 06 Nov 2009 at 00:13
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Styrbiorn View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3608
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 00:55

Parts of the walls are elevated on slopes, but how it'd look from the main square I do not know. The church is S:ta Katarina. 

As for five errors, there are probably tons of anachronisms. I wonder what the Eastern-inspired guy with the conical hat is supposed to be.

Back to Top
Al Jassas View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 07 Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 4945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 06:22

In the background the houses are in the German style that didn't become popular until later.

Al-Jassas

Back to Top
Styrbiorn View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3608
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 09:36
Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

In the background the houses are in the German style that didn't become popular until later.

Al-Jassas


Which ones?
Back to Top
Carcharodon View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Northern Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 4938
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carcharodon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 10:19
Well, I will let you ponder some more about the details. But those who are in on the buildings are on the right track. These kind of huge buildings where not present in Visby in 1361.
And also keep on the track with the guy in the hat. The maiden is also something to think about.
Back to Top
Al Jassas View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 07 Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 4945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 14:31
The dress style of the woman and the girl, its 18th-early 19th century not medieval.
 
The guy with the pointy hat and black beard who I assume to be a jew, jews weren't living there in that era if I am not mistaken.
 
Al-Jassas
Back to Top
Carcharodon View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Northern Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 4938
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carcharodon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 14:55
Well, you nailed the buildings, you nailed the woman. She wears her hair uncovered which married women did not do in the 14th century Gotland (if not, as some interpreters say, she is to represent the holy virgin, then it is OK). Also the style of her clothes is not the one of 1361.
The man in the pointed hat, if he is a jew, do not belong in the picture since there were no jews in this time and place.
 
There are a couple of details more though, that are interesting to note.
Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 17:12
Well Styr the ruins of Sankta Katarina (which are near to Sankta Marya, which was the catherdral church even back then), are not stylistically harmonious with the composition--
 
 
However, what can be said of this painting can be said of all the academic historical genre paintings in European 19th century art.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Al Jassas View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 07 Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 4945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 18:53
Hello to you all
 
I would venture and say the cat and the guy with the horns. I don't recognise the flag since I don't have the software but something tells me it doesn't fit.
 
Al-Jassas
Back to Top
Styrbiorn View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3608
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 21:47
Originally posted by drgonzaga drgonzaga wrote:

Well Styr the ruins of Sankta Katarina (which are near to Sankta Marya, which was the catherdral church even back then), are not stylistically harmonious with the composition--
 

S:ta Maria didn't become a cathedral church until the 16th century, since Gotland was a part of the Linköping diocese until the Danes created the new Visby bishopric in 1572.  However, Katarina surely didn't look as on the picture back in 1361, since it was under construction. 

 
Quote
However, what can be said of this painting can be said of all the academic historical genre paintings in European 19th century art.

Yes.

Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 22:19
Not to bicker, but Saint Mary's was built between 1190 and 1225, but then how it looks today certainly does not represent it back then nor did its visage recall the picture when painted (that was the "then" for cathedral status). The only other contender would have been St. Nicholas, but that building was already a ruin in 1525 and essentially Romanesque in appearance.
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Styrbiorn View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 Aug 2004
Status: Offline
Points: 3608
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Styrbiorn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 22:52

I agree it's a silly issue, but I'll continue just for the fun of it. I'm pretty sure the church is supposed to be Katarina, although the painter obviously used other churches for inspiration, whether inside or outside of his head I do not know. This shows the church located at the main square: the city wall runs parallel to the beach behind the photographer (who might actually stand on top of it).

By the way, the ruined towers in the back belong to the neighbouring 12th century churches of the Byzantine-inspired Saint Lars (ie Laurentius) and Drotten.


The main square with the Katarina church is at C, while Maria is at A.



Edited by Styrbiorn - 06 Nov 2009 at 22:53
Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2009 at 23:11
The only problem with all the claims would result in but a single conclusion: that damned artist had never set foot in Visby! There is not a single line-of-sight that would conform to the layout given on the canvas!
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Carcharodon View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Northern Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 4938
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carcharodon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2009 at 09:43
Originally posted by Al Jassas Al Jassas wrote:

Hello to you all
 
I would venture and say the cat and the guy with the horns. I don't recognise the flag since I don't have the software but something tells me it doesn't fit.
 
Al-Jassas


Well, about the cat. I do not see any cat, but cats could have been present in Visby in 1361 since the cat is known from graves in Sweden already 2000 years ago and from the site Vallhagar in Gotland about 5th century AD. But the only small animal I see is a little dog, and maybe you and all others here should analyze that one a bit.

The guy with the horns someone?

Also take a look at Valdemar himself.

The flag I must check on.
Back to Top
Carcharodon View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 04 May 2007
Location: Northern Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 4938
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Carcharodon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 11:04
Well; lets take some of the errors in the painting then:

--We have the buildings, just not the right kind and size for that time and place.

--We have the maiden who wears her hair loose, which married women in 14th century Gotland did not do. And her dress in itself do not seem authentic.

--We have the (probable) jew in the pointed hat. There were probably no jews in 14th century Gotland.

--We have the king himself who was not so old as he is shown in the picture, in 1361.

--And then we have the dog. It resembles a dachshund, a breed of dog that did not yet exist in this time.

And one can probably find more errors in this painting.

Someone who have some other historical painting or picture with some errors in it for us to find?

Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 12:57
Here's one for the mill:
 
Columbus before Queen Isabella and the Court of Spain                 Lithograph: V. Brozik, 1884
 
 
Have fun there are far more than five bloopers here!


Edited by drgonzaga - 09 Nov 2009 at 13:00
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
Al Jassas View Drop Down
Tsar
Tsar


Joined: 07 Aug 2007
Status: Offline
Points: 4945
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 14:11

Well Doc, first, Isabella wasn't a 70 year old hag, she was 39-40 (assuming this was their first meeting).

Second, the architecture (probably Baroque) is 150 years into the future. Those days it was Gothic/Mudejar.

Third, Columbus wasn't a blondnor that old either.
 
As for the rest, I have suspision that many individuals are present in this picture when they shouldn't be.
 
Al-Jassas
Back to Top
drgonzaga View Drop Down
King
King
Avatar
Plus Ultra

Joined: 01 Oct 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 6262
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote drgonzaga Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2009 at 14:48
Well, Al-Jassas, unlike the Visby fantasy, just a simple review of the historical and iconographic record would have prevented the outrage perpetrated by this Czech artist in 1884 [he was a master of historical genre painting, and his take on the Defenestration of Prague is a hoot]. Nothing, absolutely, nothing in this painting is accurate: neither dress, nor visage, and most certainly not locale. But even when some approximation is attempted the results are always bizarre:
 File:Emanuel Gottlieb Leutze - Columbus Before the Queen.JPG
Columbus before the Queen                                                              Emanuel Gottlieb Leutze, 1843
 
Yes, the above is by the same artist who did Washington Crossing the Delaware...However, this little item despite it's attempt at recreating an alcazar-like surrounding still falls flatter than a pancake.


Edited by drgonzaga - 09 Nov 2009 at 15:09
Honi soit qui mal y pense
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.250 seconds.