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Ethnic origins of Cossacks (Circassian traces)

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Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

You are definitely from another world. Circassians are not Turkic. Moreover, Etruscan language is not deciphered yet. Nobody certainly knows to which group it belongs.


as said great Seneca - ASIA ETRUSCOS SIBI VINDICAT! = An asia is the origin of truscos ethnos.It’s longbefore already covertly defined that etruscos have turkic origins. Why all etruscos words  are same with turkic? The steppe goddess Unay become Juno, the steppe god of thunder Vipitr became Jupiter, the Rome means turkic IRMA - river.



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After all, do you know where is Amu Darya? Lol

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If you are so blissfully unaware of cow worship, as well as the bull totem, being the height of fashion long before any "Oguz" littered the earth so be it but the attempt to ascribe ox as the meaning of "Oguz" is fast become an example of the oxymoronic. And your venture into Persian mythology could not be more unfortuitious were you to try another somersault.  Turanians were not "Turks", Oguz or otherwise, and one has to wonder just what version of the Shanameh, you are attempting to subvert. And please spare me any other risible effort with respect to the Gozan specially if you are attempting another bit of foolishness with the nomenclature drawn from Herodotus and the name Oxus. By the way in the Turkic languages, oguz (var. oghuz) means tribe or horde and does not mean "bull" or are we in for a dissertation on the boga Turks?
 
 
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Originally posted by Rugila Rugila wrote:

Originally posted by Sarmat Sarmat wrote:

You are definitely from another world. Circassians are not Turkic. Moreover, Etruscan language is not deciphered yet. Nobody certainly knows to which group it belongs.


I somewhat considered circassians as turkic though I didn't know before that some of them have nothing common with turkic, karachay-circassians both means "black tea bushes" (look into google translator from turkic)but most of them as kabardians, karachays have  turkic origins,the rest -adyges , Abhaz, Abaza, Osetians have other roots. Circassians divide into several tribes as Abzah or  Abadzeh (Абдзах), Bjeduğ (Бжъэдыгъу), Shapsığ, Hak'uç (Хьак1уцу), Natuhay, K'emguy (К1эмгуй), Mahoş, Yegerukay, Mamhığ, Besleney, Hatukay (Хьатикъуай) ve Kabartaylar (Къэбэрдэй). Among them kabardians are numerous than other tribes, it’s sad to say that one tribe as Ubuhs were cut utterly by Suvorov. Kabardians are the only ones who less than others fought with russians, when chechen Imam Shamil called them they refused to join him.

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Karachays are not Circassians, they are Turkic. I don't know where you're from, perhaps, you are from Turkey, where sometimes all the North Caucasian peoples are called "Circassians" by default. But that is a wrong generalization. Strictly speaking Circassians (self-designation Adyghe) is a separate ethnic group divided into different tribes and some of those tribes names are included into your post above. During their history they absorbed some Turkic groups and definitely were heavily influenced by Turkic languages and culture, but, nevertheless, it doesn't make them Turkic.
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Originally posted by Rugila Rugila wrote:

as said great Seneca - ASIA ETRUSCOS SIBI VINDICAT! = An asia is the origin of truscos ethnos.It’s longbefore already covertly defined that etruscos have turkic origins. Why all etruscos words  are same with turkic? The steppe goddess Unay become Juno, the steppe god of thunder Vipitr became Jupiter, the Rome means turkic IRMA - river.


You're reciting here popular pseudo-scientific theories that are unfortunately or better to say fortunately a not recognized by the conventional historical science.
 
I can also with the same success claim that Etruscans are actually a group of ancient Jews or even ancient Russians... Both of those crazy theories exist...
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Sorry but this is very  narrow view .You claim that all those caucasian turkic nations came later to region than adygs…hm…this is really blind conclusion

According to what russian archeologist found in caucase the ancient karachay turkic runes called as Humarian prove that they are more ancient than adygs, even the only caucasian epos also was created by karachays where is written interestingly  as follows

– WHEN GOD CREATED SKY AND EARTH THE ONLY THING THAT WAS BETWEEN THEM WAS NART. (Nart is Karachayan epos)

All caucase has one epos and even that is karachayan and the heroes of epos are ancient scyth kings as Atey that is Achemez and so on.


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