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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Athena Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Aug 2019 at 02:41
Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

 Throughout history there have been rulers who have claimed direct lineage from their God. Taking a look, for example, at the historical lineage of Ireland, the Ard Ri claimed lineage from Adam. Therefore his rule could not be challenged, unless the usurper would challenge Adams' family.

Ermm  How does that work?  I thought we all came from Adam and Eve.  (not really, but isn't that how the story goes?)   

Was not Ireland Celtic territory?   I think the Celts made important contributions to a take on Christianity that helped make democracy possible.  Their resistance to Rome being important to liberty and human dignity.     
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If I remember right, Ireland was the first Christian area outside of the Roman Empire (in the West that is), in many ways they were more influenced by the desert fathers and monasticism, than the Catholic priestly hierarchy.  Ireland was relatively stable when the Western Empire was going to heck.  The Irish Monks copied a lot of Latin manuscripts, preserving them.  Some stuff pretty racy too, they weren't particular about what they copied.  I think the important characteristic was not that Ireland was Celtic, but that it was outside the Roman Empire (and maybe also that it was Celtic).  But, my guess is that a celt in Ireland would be "primes inter pares" (first among equals), minor lords so to speak.
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Originally posted by Athena Athena wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

 Throughout history there have been rulers who have claimed direct lineage from their God. Taking a look, for example, at the historical lineage of Ireland, the Ard Ri claimed lineage from Adam. Therefore his rule could not be challenged, unless the usurper would challenge Adams' family.

Ermm  How does that work?  I thought we all came from Adam and Eve.  (not really, but isn't that how the story goes?)   

Was not Ireland Celtic territory?   I think the Celts made important contributions to a take on Christianity that helped make democracy possible.  Their resistance to Rome being important to liberty and human dignity.     

There people in Ireland before the Celts arrived, but knowledge of them has descended into mythology.

Celtic tribes in Europe, around Germany and France for example, did battle with the Romans, but there was never a Roman presence in Ireland.

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