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    Posted: 15 Feb 2012 at 17:24
I'm playing for a while. I'm convinced this is best Paradox Int. product ever. Here a review on Strategy Informer (it got 9.5/10 Clap):

http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/crusaderkingsii/1790/review.html

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I'm going to play this.
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I was started as a small duchy in Ireland. Slowly grewt and finally united Ireland as King of Ireland. Then I got titles King of Wales and King of Scotland later. Everything seemed well. Until my nephew Duke of Ulster employed a succesful plot against me. Actually he was the heir to me. But my ruler lived so long he became more nervious and decided to take this plot. Now all my dukes sided with him and waging war agaisnt me. Now I have no control over rest of my realm except my own personal demesne which consists from duchies of münster adn connacht.

One time even my wife tried to assasinate me. Another time my ruler's sister tried to assasinate my son. Because my son was my heir and my nephew was 2nd in the line of succesion. If she was succesful his son would be heir to the throne. I absolutely love this game LOL

Motto of Crusader Kings II:
"They say blood is thicker than water. They obviously never lived in Medieval Europe! "

 


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Oh wow. As immersive as the first one was, I simply must have this. It is nice to see the odd product where creativity and game mechanics have not been subordinated to graphics. Unfortunately I'm too busy these days to play as much as I'd like (one can never truly be too "old" for computer games Wink).
 
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Is it better than the first game? I really enjoyed the first crusader kings but there were loads of really annoying problems with it (Such as how easy it was to forge a gigantic Christian kingdom in the middle east and North Africa)
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Now it is a lot harder. Muslim states much stronger. And keeping more than one Kingdom title is extremely hard. You will break up eventually if you insist on. Mercenaries are another story, when you run out of money they will desert or even defect to enemy. One time playing as King of Poland (House of Piast), I was attacked by Turov and I was in serious trouble. My mercenary commander sensed my weakness and turned agaisnt me. He was demanding title of Kingdom of Poland. Like Sforza did in Milan :D

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Pardon me asking, but games like these, are they similar to Evony or how will you describe it?
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No, this is not a browser game. You are in control of a dynasty. Your success depend on prestige of your dynasty at end of the game. Prestige is mostly accuried from held titles, such as Baron, Count, Duke, King or Emperor and titles of your vassals. When your dynasty started as Holy Roman Emperor and when your dynasty reduced to a small barony game still will continue. But if your dynasty dies out or there is no land left in control of your dynasty, game will be over.

Game starts in 16 Semtember 1066 and ends in 29 May 1453. This is political map mode:



Cultural map mode (note that England is still Saxon, if Normans will conquer the England and setup their own lords, Norman and Saxon culture fuse and become English):



Religion map mode:



I started as William the Bastard - Duke of Normandy for example. There is several counts as my vassals. And my liege is King Philippe I of France. My army is already gathered and ready to invade England. King Harold IV of Norvay is currently raiding York. King Harold Godwinson of England rushes to defend York. But same time I will invade England. If I succeed, I will inherit throne of England and my allias will change to "the Conqueror" from "the Bastard".



William's wife Duchess Matilda of Normandy and his children:



These traits determines characters. Good traits (such as Kind, Brave, Charitable etc) will increase your relations with other characters. Bad traits will decerase. But of course, if someone is craven when your character is brave, he/she will hate you even more. Nobles like prestige, clergy likes piety and everyone likes gold LOL



These are ducal laws, mainly determines laws for how succession will occur and how much gold and levies will raised from vassals. Tighter laws make vassals more upset and they will more likely rebel against you. Also succesion laws effects your relations with your kin. If you select Primogeniture succesion, your oldest son will be happy but your other sons will be upset. This means they will more likely employ plots against you and your heir.



And dynasty tree for House de Normandie:






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What has really changed from the first game though? The graphics are slightly more defined but I don't really see all that much different. (And for a game like this - a glorified spreadsheet basically (I mean that in the best possible way ;) graphics don't really count for much.
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Originally posted by Parnell Parnell wrote:

What has really changed from the first game though? The graphics are slightly more defined but I don't really see all that much different. (And for a game like this - a glorified spreadsheet basically (I mean that in the best possible way ;) graphics don't really count for much.

According to the very demanding and nerdy fans its a great improvement. I can't wait to try it, but I won't find the spare time for months. I expect multiplayer iwth a bunch of history nerds to be a great experience.
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Graphics looks faded here. Because I converted images to jpeg format to reduce loading time. Graphics changed a lot of, old veteran Europa engine replaced with new vivid Clausewitz engine. You can spare some time to demo (it's not even 400 MBs):

http://www.fileplanet.com/224596/download/Crusader-Kings-II-Demo


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Thank you POH for an excellent answer, I really appreciate it.
But how do you play the game - become richer? - expand army? - what about commerce, materials to build etc...?
I understand there is also a multiplayer (online) version - is that very different from the singleplayer version, and do you communicate directly with other players?
 
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"Nervi belli pecunia infinita." Being rich very important. Raising levies and mercenaries for war will cost you a lot of money. How much longer you can wage war depends on your treasury. Since money mostly comes from your personal demesne, it is very important to own a good number of counties personaly. You can be a King but if you only own one county personaly, your vassals can easily crush you. Multiplayer supports up to 32 player but max 12 player recommended for stability. You can communicate with other players via game's chat function. People will unlikely accept someone rookie to this game. I mean, a sufficient single player experience will solve this easily Smile

Paradox Int. games all have depth in their gameplay and learning takes time. Their WWII war game simulation Hearts of Iron 3 includes 40 thousands (yes, 40000 with number) real WWII generals as an example how much their games are deep. Each of their series focused on some aspect. Crusader Kings series focused on Feudal system and dynasties, unlike their other games you can't ally with nations, you can ally with their Kings, when their Kings pass away, alliance goes with him. Royal marriages are almost sole way of alliances.




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Originally posted by Northman Northman wrote:

Thank you POH for an excellent answer, I really appreciate it.
But how do you play the game - become richer? - expand army? - what about commerce, materials to build etc...?
I understand there is also a multiplayer (online) version - is that very different from the singleplayer version, and do you communicate directly with other players?
 
Sorry about all these questions  Smile
 
 
 


My experience of paradox interactive games is that you don't 'win'. For me, their games are historical simulations where you can play out your historical fantasies (In Europa Universalis I forged an Irish Empire in South Africa and South America - in Victoria II I united Italy with the Two Sicilies and created a vast Italian Empire in the Arab world. I also made Italy the worlds foremost textile producer!)

In short, don't play this game if you aren't nerd or are in possession of a life.
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@Parnell, don't be so strict Sleepy One of greatest inventions of early 20th century was cinema. It was amazing, first time in history people able to watch various adventures where they will never went. Altough video games primitively invented in 1970s, they became an industry in late 1990s. Now video game industry makes more money than cinema industry. Because now, you are not just supposed to be watch, you can also participiate in it!!!





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Ok PoH you have convinced me thoroughly of the need to buy this game. In 3 1/2 hours I can go home and I will download it from Steam. Goodbye for a few weeks, real life.
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Ok I bought it and I have had a very fun and involving time so far. Not an easy time, but a fun one. This is a genuinely challenging game, where defeat can be just around the corner. And for that reason it is very involving.

I decided to play (predictably) Byzantium. Constantine X was not really a great Emperor historically, and his personal character tab shows all of those flaws. But summoning most of my levies, he did fight off the Seljuks and take about 10 provinces from them. While all this was going on, he used the boost to his reputation garnered by his leadership in the war to forcibly revoke some of the most profitable towns in the empire. My theory behind this was that Constantine at the age of 67 would die soon enough. And his son Michael would inherit all those rich territories in his demesne without any of the negative implications of having confiscating them.

Well the old bastard took 10 years to die. After 4 or so years on campaigne my 8k Byzantine troops had taken 10 Seljuk provinces and all the holdings within and what remained are the army was too small to fight off the main force of Seljuk reinforcements. Realising that I had to make peace or risk losing the amount of compensation Alp Arslan paid to me, I made peace. Then 8 of my vassals revolted against me now that I didn't have a war on my hands.

After that started happening, I began ordering the arrest of my dukes. Once imprisoned, they could not participate in revolts against me. Half the Byzantine Empire was up in arms against me and it was a struggle for survival. The whole time I kept hoping that Constantine would die so that Michael could take over. But the war dragged on and on. I simply had to contain most of the barons sufficiently while using whatever troops were left over to force a single one to sumit. Most of the gold Alp Arslan paid me went towards mercenaries in the late stage of the war.

One by one the rebellious dukes fell. Until at last only one remained. And then the moment I was waiting for arrived. Prince Michael killed off the Emperor. Thankfully I had killed off all of Constantine's other sons so that the demesne would not be divided on succession. Michael VII was even more dissolute as a human being than Constantine. But he was younger and had more staying power. Wealth grew, I learned how to placate the dukes. After many daughters, a son and heir was born. The Pechenegs, Assyrians and Armenians were conquered. He even gained enough popularity to change the laws to tax the church more.

Now Michael VII is 35. He has been a monarch for nearly 20 years. His son and heir is being educated by the best and developing excellently. The empire is large and powerful. It needs more money, and I do want to raise feudal tax for the first time. But there is plenty of time to do that. I want to campaign against Edessa.
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Quite a story. But I should warn you about feudal taxes. Raise it with caution. It will cause significant extra revolt risk. But being able to tax an empire large as Byzantines could give a big boost to your income. Even with %10 feudal tax... You also should play as a small count. It is a lot more fun.

This game is one of easiest Paradox Interactive games to learn. But certainly most diffucult to expand your realm.


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