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Earliest Known Images of Dogs Reveal Origins of Their Bond With Humans

“We both got really excited when we realized we might have the oldest depiction of leashes, and that images may give us a lot of information on dog domestication and the use of dogs in complex dog-assisted hunting strategies.”
The dogs depicted appear similar to the modern day Canaan dog. http://www.inverse.com/article/38541-oldest-images-dogs-archeology
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Neat!

My mother and I took the dog (Australian Silky Terrier) on a walk to the local Catholic church/school parking lot, in front of it was a manager, and joining the three wisemen, Joseph and a sheep, etc, were three photo cutouts of coyote (they're God's creatures too, so why not).  I am sure some prankster put them out.  But anyways, I was surprised when the dog reacted to the two dimensional cutout of the coyotes.  growling and put off by the cutouts.  I always thought dogs didn't pay attention to two-dimensional stuff, and tv, so forth.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

Neat!

My mother and I took the dog (Australian Silky Terrier) on a walk to the local Catholic church/school parking lot, in front of it was a manager, and joining the three wisemen, Joseph and a sheep, etc, were three photo cutouts of coyote (they're God's creatures too, so why not).  I am sure some prankster put them out.  But anyways, I was surprised when the dog reacted to the two dimensional cutout of the coyotes.  growling and put off by the cutouts.  I always thought dogs didn't pay attention to two-dimensional stuff, and tv, so forth.

I have a Terrier/American Pit Bull cross. She watches TV most of the night, and if she sees a strange animal, runs up to the TV, barking and making a fuss.

Just goes to show that science isn't always up to date on some matters.

But isn't it strange than, in many respects, dogs have developed more of the better characteristics than some humans?




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I was told by another friend that they put up coyote cutouts at other nativity scenes around town to keep (wild) animals away from them, and here I thought it was some kind of anarchical alt left whimsical impulse.

So your dog is American, and mine is Australian.....

Or is it that humans have developed better characteristics in dogs?  And some the worse characteristics too.  (I think of inbreeding, and endemic problems for certain breeds).

They say that if you want love in DC, get a dog (or maybe a trophy wife??).
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Wolves have adapted to us and the ocean along with cows, camels and other Ungulates. 
And they may be doing it again.
In British Columbia two groups of wolves have been living side by side without much genetic mixing. The wolves on the plains eat what you would expect and the wolves on the rocky coast, eat seafood.

The island wolves look different and blend into the red clay shorelines. They have extra skin between their toes that look like webbing and the head has a rounded Pinniped or seal like appearance. There is a common ancestor between seals/ killer whales/ walrus and wolves. Each of those marine mammals have great genetic distinction with each other.
They are more closely related to dogs, cats and weasels than they are related to whales, matinees and dolphins.
 

In 2009 genetic research into marine mammals including those who descend from Ungulates and Tetrapods show that each group came through transformation to marine life by unique genetic routes. Even though the genes for fins and flippers looked the same (morpho genetic) they had different chemistry.

The coastal wolves eat salmon, lots of parasites. Since bears hibernate they kill the tape worms they might ingest with starvation before tape worms kill the bear. A wolf would be dead from eating salmon flesh however these wolves are adapting. Bears usually only eat the skin and heads of the fish and so they avoid ingesting the parasite. Wolves do the same. Here is a look at them.

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There are coyote-wolf hybrids in some of the Mid Western states, (Coywolf(?).  They are smaller than a full size wolf, and are not afraid of man, but like a lot of coyotes do, live on the fringes of cities.

Of course, in another thread we talked about the Russian silver fox, and the attempt to domesticate them for their pelts.  The domestication was successful, the foxes were tamed, but something about the domestication genetically made it so their pelts were no longer silver (and desirable), but like a dogs, a motley mix of colors.  Like how some breeds have different colors, even a patchwork of them.  Trained foxes are available for purchase, although some skeptics say that one cannot fully domesticate (and trust) a wild animal.
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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

There are coyote-wolf hybrids in some of the Mid Western states, (Coywolf(?).  They are smaller than a full size wolf, and are not afraid of man, but like a lot of coyotes do, live on the fringes of cities.

Of course, in another thread we talked about the Russian silver fox, and the attempt to domesticate them for their pelts.  The domestication was successful, the foxes were tamed, but something about the domestication genetically made it so their pelts were no longer silver (and desirable), but like a dogs, a motley mix of colors.  Like how some breeds have different colors, even a patchwork of them.  Trained foxes are available for purchase, although some skeptics say that one cannot fully domesticate (and trust) a wild animal.
I would agree that all dogs retain some natural instincts and only dependence on humans could allow for breeding tameness and cooperative behavior.
Last week a very vocal pro-pittbull owner was killed and partially eaten by her two pit bulls. Good article, loony lefty Twitter journalists trying to lie about circumstances naturally.

Rumors swirled around the death of Bethany Lynn Stephens, a young woman from rural Virginia who, authorities said, was mauled to death by her dogs while out on a walk last week.

Many suspected that someone else killed her and doubted that the dogs were responsible. Goochland County Sheriff Jim Agnew said the misinformation, particularly on social media, was widespread and has complicated the investigation. So he decided to disclose one gruesome detail that he had been reluctant to divulge out of concern for Stephens’s family — in hopes of reassuring the public that there isn’t a killer on the loose.

Shortly after officers found Stephens’s body, guarded by her two dogs, they began talking about how to catch the animals. When they turned back around, they saw that the dogs had walked over to the body.

“I observed, as well as four other deputy sheriffs observed,” Agnew said, then paused before continuing, “the dogs eating the rib cage on the body.”

A friend of Stephens was later able to capture the dogs, the sheriff said.

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Dogs have somewhat of a reputation for guarding the body, but not eating it.  Cats seem to believe that good meat should not go to waste.  But of course, a house cat probably could not kill a human, no matter what the circumstances.

I am sure the dogs were not eating the rib cage, rather were trying to get at the tasty mortals underneath and around the rib cage.  Like they say, the way to a man's heart (or woman's in this case), is through her stomach, and then up!

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Last night on "Nature," they had a show on cats, and one thing they talked about was how dogs developed a keen sense of smell and a long nose.  What this did, however, was limit their biting power.  Whereas cats kept a short nose and were/are more effective killing machines.  It was that killing (of mice) by domestic cats that was prized by humans over the centuries, however, their killing of small animals has become disliked and may be bred out of them by humans, seeking them only as companions.
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There was also a story 2016 summer in NYC. A Catholic priest actually witnessed and the attack tried to help the victim.
These dogs lived in the neighborhood near Catholic church. The victim was a man who had been painting a building to the side of the church. These two dogs attacked him & ate some of his flesh. You can see his the man's intestines being pulled out.

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