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Famous for terrifying Roman Legions as they charged naked into Battle, the Celts were a collection of tribes with origins in central Europe.

The exact history and origins of the Celts is contested.

However, it seems that the Celtic Golden Age is generally agreed to have originated in Central Europe from around 1200 BC, with traces going back as far as the Hallstatt culture  following the discovery of rich grave finds in Hallstatt, Austria.

Due to the migration of Germanic Tribes caused by Roman expansion, the Celts eventually settled mainly in Ireland, Wales and Scotland where they emerged as a distinct cultural group with a common linguistic, religious and artistic heritage.

Their existence was first documented in the seventh or eighth century B.C. by the Romans who referred to them as 'Barbarians', and it would be this encounter with the Roman Empire that would eventually lead to their demise.

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Actually, though,  the Romans never reached Ireland, and the Celts (along with Vikings and AngloSaxons) are the ancestors of the modern Irish people.

The Romans did occupy Britain (England, Wales, and Scotland) but never really colonized it, and they eventually withdrew. The original British Kelts subdivided into the Brythons (England), Picts (Scotland), and Cymrics (Wales). They intermarried with later AngloSaxon and Viking invaders, and are the ancestors of the modern British people. 
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Quote Due to the migration of Germanic Tribes caused by Roman expansion, the Celts eventually settled mainly in Ireland, Wales and Scotland where they emerged as a distinct cultural group with a common linguistic, religious and artistic heritage.

I don't know if that is necessarily so.

The Hallstat Culture-or evidence of it, if found in nearly all of Europe.

I don't remember reading about the Germanic Tribes being the reason that the Celts travelled. Depending upon which school of thought you belong to, the Celts originated in Eastern Europe and moved down to the Iberian Peninsular, or vice versa.

Perhaps you would do better to research more than one source when you post, as most of your posts are simply direct lifts from other peoples works.

See the post below by Windemere-which is more accurate than your writings.
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It makes sense that the Celts would have been pushed into that corner of Europe.  I don't know who would have done the pushing, and from where, maybe Spain?  Gaul? the Lowlands?

Julius Caesar was a mass murderer in Gaul.  Makes sense that people would flee him, and the Romans.

Interesting little factoid, Iran and Ireland are both named after the Aryan people, there is at least one song that appears in both cultures, having been ultimately derived from the Indo-European.

I would say that _the_ Romans never got to Ireland, but individual Romans did, like the slave traders that got (St.) Patrick, although I think Patrick is either at the tale end, or after the occupation of Britain by the Romans.  
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Not sure, but I think that the original Gauls were also a Keltic people. They intermarried with the Romans, and a combined Gallio-Roman culture developed. Later, following the Roman withdrawal, Gaul was invaded by the Franks (a Germanic people) who colonized the country, and intermarried with the native Gauls, especially in Neustria (northern France). The combined Gallio-Frankish people eventually formed the nation of Francia, and were the ancestors of the modern French.
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Originally posted by Windemere Windemere wrote:

Not sure, but I think that the original Gauls were also a Keltic people. They intermarried with the Romans, and a combined Gallio-Roman culture developed. Later, following the Roman withdrawal, Gaul was invaded by the Franks (a Germanic people) who colonized the country, and intermarried with the native Gauls, especially in Neustria (northern France). The combined Gallio-Frankish people eventually formed the nation of Francia, and were the ancestors of the modern French.

Yes, from memory, the Gauls were in fact Celts, and they were a real headache for the Romans in what is now Germany/France.

Inter-marriage was a fact of life in all of those regions controlled by Rome and, so far as it pertains to Europe, many people still carry both Roman and Celtic DNA, along, of course, with others, especially Scandinavian, a legacy of the Vikings.

 The R1b gene can also be traced to some Ashkanazi Jews.  
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Further to my last post, and to clarify, the Celts were not one single tribe, but a federation of many tribes, villages and so on.

While they came to our attention as settlers of the British Isles, they existed, and do still today, in Spain, France and other European countries.

The Gauls, Barbarians and others so named by the Romans were Celts.
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I would characterize (in my simplistic manner) the Celts being tribal, as a cultural/political collection (federation) of groups (tribes).  I am not sure on what level they can be said to exist today.  I am not sure what comparison there is with a modern with an argyle and a smartphone, and celtic warrior wearing a torc and painted blue.  Or rather, it is a question of the internal continuity rather than external trappings, (I am sure some football fans paint themselves blue.  The people, and the genetics exist to a great degree, there is some survival of the language.  Some dialects better than others.

The question of "internal continuity" is whether modern 'celts' think like ancient celts, IMO. 


But toyomotor, I am not _sure_ on what level celts can be said to exist today.  I would like to hear the arguments for such a survival.  I will have you know, that I do believe that dinosaurs exist today, in the form of birds.  Maybe celts today survive in some transformed form??


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Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I would characterize (in my simplistic manner) the Celts being tribal, as a cultural/political collection (federation) of groups (tribes).  I am not sure on what level they can be said to exist today.  I am not sure what comparison there is with a modern with an argyle and a smartphone, and celtic warrior wearing a torc and painted blue.  Or rather, it is a question of the internal continuity rather than external trappings, (I am sure some football fans paint themselves blue.  The people, and the genetics exist to a great degree, there is some survival of the language.  Some dialects better than others.

The question of "internal continuity" is whether modern 'celts' think like ancient celts, IMO. 


But toyomotor, I am not _sure_ on what level celts can be said to exist today.  I would like to hear the arguments for such a survival.  I will have you know, that I do believe that dinosaurs exist today, in the form of birds.  Maybe celts today survive in some transformed form??

The Celts exist today in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Bretony, the Basque Region of Spain-in recognised communities, while other people of Celtic origins exist around the world. Arguments exist as to the Cornish people being of Celtic extraction.

Don't forget that, with the Flight of The Earls, Celts have moved as far away as the Americas-a past President of Mexico was Vincente FOX (2000-2006), whose roots were Irish (coincidentally the same family as my forebears Catharnaighe/Sionnach/Fox-one family with name changes over the millenia). People with Celtic names can also be found in Peru, and Portugal. I carry Celtic DNA as do many in Australia, and the USA.

As to modern Celts thinking like ancient Celts, that's pretty rediculous, who today thinks like their ancient forebears? Perhaps some of the stricter, radicalised Muslims and people who have had no contact with civilisation, people of the Amazon rain forests.
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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

Originally posted by franciscosan franciscosan wrote:

I would characterize (in my simplistic manner) the Celts being tribal, as a cultural/political collection (federation) of groups (tribes).  I am not sure on what level they can be said to exist today.  I am not sure what comparison there is with a modern with an argyle and a smartphone, and celtic warrior wearing a torc and painted blue.  Or rather, it is a question of the internal continuity rather than external trappings, (I am sure some football fans paint themselves blue.  The people, and the genetics exist to a great degree, there is some survival of the language.  Some dialects better than others.

The question of "internal continuity" is whether modern 'celts' think like ancient celts, IMO. 


But toyomotor, I am not _sure_ on what level celts can be said to exist today.  I would like to hear the arguments for such a survival.  I will have you know, that I do believe that dinosaurs exist today, in the form of birds.  Maybe celts today survive in some transformed form??

The Celts exist today in Ireland, Scotland, Wales, Bretony, the Basque Region of Spain-in recognised communities, while other people of Celtic origins exist around the world. Arguments exist as to the Cornish people being of Celtic extraction.

Don't forget that, with the Flight of The Earls, Celts have moved as far away as the Americas-a past President of Mexico was Vincente FOX (2000-2006), whose roots were Irish (coincidentally the same family as my forebears Catharnaighe/Sionnach/Fox-one family with name changes over the millenia). People with Celtic names can also be found in Peru, and Portugal. I carry Celtic DNA as do many in Australia, and the USA.

As to modern Celts thinking like ancient Celts, that's pretty rediculous, who today thinks like their ancient forebears? Perhaps some of the stricter, radicalised Muslims and people who have had no contact with civilisation, people of the Amazon rain forests.
Did the Ancestry DNA test and the map shows where your DNA is heaviest. All trough the area above Italy to Portugal and towards UK was highlighted not going past France to the North but as far as Scotland, Ireland and Wales, no England.
Then all along the Albanian Coast and along the Greek Isles it was highlighted here and there. It was humbling somehow. 
DNA might code for food preferences or aversions. Would a Sherpa baby grow into a naturally better mountain climber than a baby with no inter generational exposure to the high altitude? 

If humans can physically adapt to environments and bio hazards over time then changes must be in our DNA. If ADD is inherited its bc that personality type had a function and contributed to a tribe's survival.

Kind of surprised that you don't see the possibility of thoughts and tendencies to be bound up in our DNA with physical traits.
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What's your point? Are you saying that we're all genetically wired to think as did our Stone Age ancestors?

R1b is the main YDNA marker for Celtic Males-and all of the DNA testing web sites that I've visited will confirm that.

Quote Kind of surprised that you don't see the possibility of thoughts and tendencies to be bound up in our DNA with physical traits.

Anything, everything is possible. But I don't have knowledge of whether or not ancient DNA has any effect on how people think and act today.

Quote  If ADD is inherited its bc that personality type had a function and contributed to a tribe's survival.

Not necessarily so. Ancient tribes relied on cohesion to survive, and when cohesion wasn't there, the tribe disintegrated, either by morphing with other tribes or adopting outsiders to change the blood line.

How many Aztecs are there in Maryland?


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Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying that we're all genetically wired to think as did our Stone Age ancestors?

R1b is the main YDNA marker for Celtic Males-and all of the DNA testing web sites that I've visited will confirm that.

Quote Kind of surprised that you don't see the possibility of thoughts and tendencies to be bound up in our DNA with physical traits.

Anything, everything is possible. But I don't have knowledge of whether or not ancient DNA has any effect on how people think and act today.

Quote  If ADD is inherited its bc that personality type had a function and contributed to a tribe's survival.

Not necessarily so. Ancient tribes relied on cohesion to survive, and when cohesion wasn't there, the tribe disintegrated, either by morphing with other tribes or adopting outsiders to change the blood line.

How many Aztecs are there in Maryland?


Aztecs in Maryland? Do you mean the biker club?Smile
Ancient tribes had to hunt, different personality types have a place in tribes even the outsiders who satellite hunting tribes, offer something like a service in order to have the huddled protection when needed. Personality types and body shapes are fed by DNA evolution. 
Behavior is affected but that is more environmental right? Human behavior can be affected by the environment but genes are not convincingly connected with behavior in humans yet. 

It's easier to see the connection with animals. Why would we be physiologically different from animals in that sense?  
It seems likely that centuries of traditional life would create tendencies in people but it hasn't been demonstrated the way it has been with animal life. 

Instinctive, or hard-wired (i.e., by definition, genetically determined), behavior captured the interest of Charles Darwin, and later, of the ethologists such as Niko Tinbergen. Instinct implies that a behavior is performed without thought and cannot be modified by learning. Examples of instinctive behavior include simple behavioral patterns, displayed in response to a specific stimulus or within a specific context. A cockroach flees to the protection of a dark nook when a light is switched on. A dog may circle on its bedding several times, as if it were trampling vegetation, before settling to sleep. A rattlesnake will strike at a moving, mouse sized, warm object. In none of these cases does the animal engage in learning or thought when shaping its response. Genetic (innate) information best determines behavior when a species’ environment varies little from generation to generation, or in communication when unambiguous messages need to be sent and received 


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Originally posted by Vanuatu Vanuatu wrote:

Originally posted by toyomotor toyomotor wrote:

What's your point? Are you saying that we're all genetically wired to think as did our Stone Age ancestors?

R1b is the main YDNA marker for Celtic Males-and all of the DNA testing web sites that I've visited will confirm that.

Quote Kind of surprised that you don't see the possibility of thoughts and tendencies to be bound up in our DNA with physical traits.

Anything, everything is possible. But I don't have knowledge of whether or not ancient DNA has any effect on how people think and act today.

Quote  If ADD is inherited its bc that personality type had a function and contributed to a tribe's survival.

Not necessarily so. Ancient tribes relied on cohesion to survive, and when cohesion wasn't there, the tribe disintegrated, either by morphing with other tribes or adopting outsiders to change the blood line.

How many Aztecs are there in Maryland?


Aztecs in Maryland? Do you mean the biker club?Smile
Ancient tribes had to hunt, different personality types have a place in tribes even the outsiders who satellite hunting tribes, offer something like a service in order to have the huddled protection when needed. Personality types and body shapes are fed by DNA evolution. 
Behavior is affected but that is more environmental right? Human behavior can be affected by the environment but genes are not convincingly connected with behavior in humans yet. 

It's easier to see the connection with animals. Why would we be physiologically different from animals in that sense?  
It seems likely that centuries of traditional life would create tendencies in people but it hasn't been demonstrated the way it has been with animal life. 

Instinctive, or hard-wired (i.e., by definition, genetically determined), behavior captured the interest of Charles Darwin, and later, of the ethologists such as Niko Tinbergen. Instinct implies that a behavior is performed without thought and cannot be modified by learning. Examples of instinctive behavior include simple behavioral patterns, displayed in response to a specific stimulus or within a specific context. A cockroach flees to the protection of a dark nook when a light is switched on. A dog may circle on its bedding several times, as if it were trampling vegetation, before settling to sleep. A rattlesnake will strike at a moving, mouse sized, warm object. In none of these cases does the animal engage in learning or thought when shaping its response. Genetic (innate) information best determines behavior when a species’ environment varies little from generation to generation, or in communication when unambiguous messages need to be sent and received 


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Ancient tribes had to hunt, different personality types have a place in tribes even the outsiders who satellite hunting tribes, offer something like a service in order to have the huddled protection when needed. Personality types and body shapes are fed by DNA evolution.

Yes, but if an individual was too different to the rest of the tribe, he would probably have been driven out or killed. (That's of course if he wasn't deified.)

Certain behaviour is certainly created as part of AMH DNA, but environment can also play a part influencing behaviour. Prison can be one example, war service could be another.

While tomes (do you like that?) have been written on human DNA, it's still not totally known by science.
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