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    Posted: 07 Aug 2019 at 14:15
What if North America was once Atlantis?

Hello everyone, I have been studying Atlantis for over twenty years. During that time, I have collected information that lead me to a conclusion that I would like to share with you. I believe that North America was Plato’s continent of Atlantis.


I also believe that Florida was the Plain of Atlantis, Tampa was the city of Atlantis and Harbour Island, near Tampa, was the Island of Atlantis. I also believe that I have enough visual evidence to support that claim. Also, I will post information so you can examine it and evaluate it yourself. 


After giving you a little background info, I will answer any questions you might have regarding Atlantis.


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Not possible. Don't want to be negative but Plato wasn't writing history, he was writing a morality tale, and used stories about the explosion of Thera as the basis. Of course a small island off the greek coast wasn't large or tragic enough, and no-one with any knowledge of the Mediterranean was going to accept a larger land mass in known waters, sunken or not, thus he chose to place his tale out beyond the Pillars of Hercules where it could not be dismissed by nit-picking self professed experts. It was, therefore, an early form of science fiction. A tale wrapped around a location beyond human reach, as it was understood back then.
 
Supporters of the Atlantis myth have placed the continent just about everywhere around the globe, and North America isn't unusual. However, North America is still above the waters. Not really consistent with the plot, I'd say :D
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 Background info on Atlantis

The story of Atlantis is extremely complex. Information about it has been translated and passed down from generation to generation for thousands of years. During that time, some of the terms in the language have changed, mistakes have been made in translation, and assumptions have been presented as true statements. This encoded the language of the original story. 


It is now impossible to break the code without concrete reliable evidence. When I learned that North America was Atlantis, I matched the actual terrain features in America with those Plato wrote about in describing Atlantis.


I will post quotes from Plato’s writings then decode the quotes, interpret them, and match them to the actual terrain features. Also, I will add a map link to the terrain features when necessary. You will have Plato’s quote, my interpretation of the quote, and the terrain features. I would like to know how you interpret the same quotes and terrain features.


To verify the qluotes, read Plato’s description of Atlantis. It is only about 13 paragraphs. The entire story of Atlantis is only 24 paragraphs.  It is online:

http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html


The story of Atlantis starts with this paragraph. Find it half way down the page:


Plato, Critias telling the story:

“I have before remarked in speaking of the allotments of the gods, that they distributed the whole earth into portions differing in extent, and made for themselves temples and instituted sacrifices. And Poseidon, receiving for his lot the island of Atlantis, begat children by a mortal woman, and settled them in a part of the island, which I will describe. Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile. Near the plain again, and also in the centre of the island at a distance of about fifty stadia, there was a mountain not very high on any side.”


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Plato called North America an island. He called North America and South America together, “The whole island”. The part of the continent Poseidon settled his family in was Florida. The exact location in Florida was Tampa. Looking across the Gulf of Mexico, from the center of the whole island, you can see the Florida Plain on the map. Finally, there are no mountains in Florida.  The mountain that is not high on either side was mistranslated. It is hill. Plato later refers to it as a hill.


Poseidon was the father of Atlas. The continent, ocean, and the island with the three large canals around it were all named Atlantis, after Atlas. You will find out later that Plato referred to another  continent opposite of Atlantis. That was South America.

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I once thought similar that Atlantis was North America and the plain and city were somewhere around N America like off the east coast of Florida. But i couldn't find any site there that matches all the details and later i eneded up finding Atlantis was in South America with the city at Tiahuanaco/Tiwanaku.
Florida can't be the large plain because it is not surrounded by high mountains like the one in the Atlantis Account is said to be.
Any location has to match all the details of the Account including size, direction, distance, large plain, high mountains (surrounding), concentric circles city, remains of civislation, "sinking", many species of animals, bulls, elephants, etc.

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One has to first objectively look to see if there is any match with history first matching all the details of/in the source with as little bending/omitting as possible.
Also, "once sunk always sunk" is not always true. The account only says it was overwhelmed by water at that time, it doesn't say what happened since after then until now.
Also, English translations are often notoriously misleading/poor/inaccurate.



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I will explain everything one item at a time as I go along. In the meantime, I have a question for you. If you thought North America was the continent of Atlantis, the Plain of Atlantis was the next big step. Can you measure the Florida Plain now and compare it to the Plain of Atlantis? Then study Tampa? That will put you back on track.


I am going to post information about the country of Atlantis then the mountains of Atlantis, then every else including the island and the concentric circles.  Eventually I will cover everything on your list. I am taking it slow now because few people have read Plato’s description of Atlantis so they don’t have all those details. 


The link to Plato's story is here: http://classics.mit.edu/Plato/critias.html

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The large plain with criss-crossing channels is seen in this Inca picture:



Also seen in the picture are other things also matching other details in the Atlantis Account including the concentric circles city.

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Hi Domino,
There are records of islands sinking and re submerging, I read the account by Plato and of geological changes that can be considered. Are you suggesting that Sugar Loaf Mountain in Tampa is the 'big hill'? What latitude is the mountain seen from, the tip of Yucatan or a hill on the Yucatan? 
Edgar Cayce talked about the mountain and the resurfacing to occur in the Bimini area of the Atlantic shelf.
Not much elevation at the Yucatan Peninsula today, but most of it was shaped by the crater.
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The land we now call Florida began to form by a combination of volcanic activity and the deposit of marine sediments. It formed along northwest Africa about 530 million years ago.

http://https://fcit.usf.edu/florida/lessons/land/land.htm
In earliest times, Florida was part of Gondwanaland, the super continent that later divided into Africa and South America. There is evidence that Florida separated from Gondwanaland about 300 million years ago.

Florida eventually found itself wedged between Gondwanaland and North America when they combined to form the super continent Pangea. When Pangea began to break up, Florida remained behind with North America.

Florida slipped slowly beneath the waves to become part of North America�s continental shelf. The landmass that is now Florida remained shallowly submerged beneath the ocean. Coral, shellfish, and fish skeletons piled up. This created a layer of limestone hundreds (in some places thousands) of feet thick.

As the Appalachian Mountains eroded, sand and clay were deposited over Florida�s limestone layer. Much of the quartz sand covering the state today came from the rocks of that mountain chain.

Throughout most of its history, Florida has been under water. Portions of the Florida peninsula have been above or below sea level at least four times. As glaciers of ice in the north expanded and melted, the Florida peninsula emerged and submerged.

When the sea level was lowest, the land area of Florida was much larger than it is now. The sea level was as much as 100 feet lower than at present. Florida�s west coastline was probably 100 miles further out. As the climate warmed, the glaciers melted. This raised the sea level and flooded the Florida peninsula. The sea level stood at least 100 to 150 feet above the present level. Florida probably consisted of islands.

The formation of the Florida Keys occurred when tiny coral created a 150-mile long chain of underwater coral reefs. As the landmass of southern Florida began its slow rise, the reefs also began to emerge.

The Florida peninsula is the emergent portion of the Florida Platform. This is a wide, relatively flat land formation. The Florida Platform lies between the deep waters of the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic Ocean. Florida's landscape varies widely. Many of Florida�s prominent features have resulted from karst, a landscape with a base layer of limestone. Because limestone is porous, freshwater gradually dissolves the rock and forms cracks and passages.

The limestone layer of the state is honeycombed with underground rivers. Where the rivers break through to the surface, springs and sinkholes are found. Lakes and wetlands are abundant.

Although Florida is relatively flat, there are different elevations. They range from 0 to 320 feet above sea level. The highest elevations in the state are in the central highlands, which run down the center of the state.

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 Hello Vanuatu,


I am suggestion that during the time of Atlantis, the Florida Plain looked the same then as it does today. In order to see what I saying, you have to look at the bigger picture. Plato called North America an island. Later, he said that part of this island was sheltered from the North. The whole state of Florida is sheltered from the cold coming from the North. The Mountains that shelter Florida and other states are  the Appalachian Mountains. See the map below. The whole state of Florida was the Plain of Atlantis.


The Mountains of Atlantis

“The surrounding mountains were celebrated for their number and size and beauty, far beyond any which still exist, having in them also many wealthy villages of country folk, and rivers, and lakes, and meadows supplying food enough for every animal, wild or tame, and much wood of various sorts, abundant for each and every kind of work.” 


Note: The Appalachian Mountains surround the plain to the North. Take your time and read Plato’s story of Atlantis. You will find that all of the terrain features have been given their modern-day names.

https://goo.gl/maps/A7gBiJwVkh4YTXr59

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Vanuatu: The "big hill" in the centre of the royal island capital city is the Akapana in centre of Tiahuanaco.
Atlanteans would have made many copy sites at other places around the world that they visited.

Pictures from my original searching may be of interest since i originally had a similar theory before i found South America matched better/instead http://picasaweb.google.com/seanbam2/Antipodean .

Anyway i will not interrupt Domino anymore and give them a chance to post their info and read with interest.
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Thanks, I did read Plato's account at the link. I don't see how you can tell where the viewer is when he see the mountains/hill. 

Where is the viewer when he sees Appalachian mountains?
Tiahuanaco is described in a way that matches Cayce's description of Atlantis fyi. That would be modern scholars discussion of Tiahuanaco during it's zenith.





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Here is a link to a map image. Notice how the Appalachian Mountains block the cold air from the north. This shields the Florida part of the continent from the winter weather. Remember that in Atlantis they got two crops a year. That is the same as Florida. Reference that in Plato's story.

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The Country of Atlantis

We have spent lots of time on the Plain, Continent, and mountains. Now lets  study the Country of Atlantis.


Regarding the country of Atlantis and Poseidon’s ten sons: The country seems to have included the Florida Plain, Georgia, and Mexico. According to Plato, all of this could have been known as Atlas’s mother’s dwelling.

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https://goo.gl/maps/CeDALws2gqy


Plato: “he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother’s dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory. … And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic.”  


Plato:

“The whole country was said by him to be very lofty and precipitous on the side of the sea, but the country immediately about and surrounding the city was a level plain, itself surrounded by mountains, which descended towards the sea. It was smooth and even, and of an oblong shape, extending in one direction three thousand stadia, but across the centre inland it was two thousand stadia. This part of the island looked towards the south, and was sheltered from the north.”


Florida, Georgia, and Mexico were in the country of Atlantis. Atlanta might have been a city in Atlantis.


Note: Notice that the Appalachian Mountains descends  towards the ocean.


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The Convoluted Nature of Atlantis


Plato

“and from these you might pass to the whole of the opposite continent which surrounded the true ocean; for this sea which is within the Straits of Heracles is only a harbor, having a narrow entrance, but that other is a real sea, and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent.”


According to Plato, Atlantis was the size of North America and Florida was the size of The Atlantis Plain. We have matched those land masses to Plato’s descriptions.


Plato gave detail descriptions of the continent, the country of Atlantis, the Plain of Atlantis, the city of Atlantis, the small island of Atlantis, and a hill that held the royal palace. This small circular hill that had three tiny moats around it can also be called an island. 


However, the island of Atlantis was much larger and its shape was triangular not circular. Plato even mentioned a second continent that was opposite to the continent of Atlantis, which is South America:


Note: North America and South America make up the boundless continent that surround the Atlantic Ocean. North America was Atlantis.


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I am wondering if you are missing something.  There are _two_ passages about Atlantis in Plato, one in _the_Timaeus_ and the other in the fragment _Critias_.  From what you have said so far, Domino, I cannot help but think that you have missed the more important passage, in _the_Timaeus_.  Also, there was planned a third work in the trilogy, the Hermocrates(?), of which we only have the name.

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Hi franciscosan,

“Fragment Critias” is much shorter than the “Timaeus and Critias.” I choose the Timaeus and Critias because that is the part of Plato’s story that talks the most about the location of Atlantis and the terrain features. If I try to switch back and fourth between the two, I would cause more confusion. In that case something is missing.


My main goal now is to establish the fact that the state of Florida was the Plain of Atlantis and  that the Appalachian Mountains were the mountains of Atlantis, according to Plato. When we understand that, the other pieces can fall into place. From there, we will match the other descriptions of the terrain features found on the plain.


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 The Plain of Atlantis

Plato: 

“Looking towards the sea, but in the centre of the whole island, there was a plain which is said to have been the fairest of all plains and very fertile.”  “I will now describe the plain, as it was fashioned by nature and by the labors of many generations of kings through long ages. It was, for the most part, rectangular and oblong, and where falling out of the straight line followed the circular ditch.” 


Regarding the plain of Atlantis: You will recognize it as the Florida Plain. Looking across the Gulf of Mexico, from the center of the boundless continent, there is a plain… Plato called the two continents together the whole island.

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Time to take Domino's side.  Besides Atlantis there could have been another island called Mu.  Here is a map of Mu  

It was also advanced like Atlantis, and the maps show Atlantis.  Here is a plausible argument for large masses being submerged, and it goes with the link.

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The end of the last ice age we know now was a very rapid event, and 12,000 years ago the world’s oceans were 350 lower than they are today, thus, low lying land from that time would now be submerged. My candidate for Mu is in fact Hawaii, which I briefly explain below…
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Originally posted by Athena Athena wrote:

Plato: “he gave to the first-born of the eldest pair his mother’s dwelling and the surrounding allotment, which was the largest and best, and made him king over the rest; the others he made princes, and gave them rule over many men, and a large territory. … And he named them all; the eldest, who was the first king, he named Atlas, and after him the whole island and the ocean were called Atlantic.”  

This quote will help others understand, that north America was divided into ten countries during the time of Atlantis. One of those countries was Atlantis. Florida, Georgia, and Mexico was in the country of Atlantis. Also, some of the older dictionaries claim that Atlanta Georgia was named after Atlantis. Plato also mentioned mountains and lakes. I believe he was referring to the Appalachian Mountain range and the Great Lakes. Each country had a king and the king of Atlantis was king over the other nine countries.
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We have more evidence of a civilization lost at the end of the ice age off the land mass of India.  I suspect the Bible has prejudiced us and our knowledge of human history.  

Quote By BBC News Online's Tom Housden

The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.

Marine scientists say archaeological remains discovered 36 metres (120 feet) underwater in the Gulf of Cambay off the western coast of India could be over 9,000 years old.

The vast city - which is five miles long and two miles wide - is believed to predate the oldest known remains in the subcontinent by more than 5,000 years.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/1768109.stm

 

This could be the event that led to the flood story and Yoga may have originated here.  the "mantric literature" speaks of the Vedic literature.

Quote  The many thousands of pages of this mantric literature dwarf all that the rest of the world has managed to save from such early eras. Yet instead of putting Vedic literature on par with the Pyramids of Egypt in terms of civilizational achievements, scholars reduce the Vedas to the rantings of illiterate nomads from Central Asia, who by all accounts should have left no literature anyway. The spiritual wisdom of the Vedic mantras is ignored according to a view that theVedas are only a nature poetry of barbarian invaders. This is in spite of the fact that the Vedas were the foundation for the great yogic and mystical traditions of Asia through Hindu and Buddhist traditions and the whole science of Yoga, which frequently refer to them.  https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/esp_cienciaindia_5.htm

 


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Domino, my eyes tire and I can not read the full Critias by Plato.  Can you perhaps copy and paste the exact lines that would lead anyone to believe Atlantis would be Florida?  

I very much appreciate your link!  It is nothing, NOTHING, like the story of creation of the Bible, but of  gods respecting each others territory and who rule as shepherds, (Jesus is "the word" and rules as a Shepherd) only instead of herding us with blows, they guide us with reason.    Now that is creation story for democracy.  The Bible is NOT a book for democracy.  Sorry this is so off topic, but your link has a more important meaning to me than the location of Atlantis.  

Anyway perhaps you can help me get back on track with the lines for believing Atlantis could be Florida.  



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Athena,

Give me a couple of hours and I will post information regarding a terrain feature that Plato wrote about. This feature can be verified by you. Since Plato wrote about it and it fits the Florida Plain, it must be true.


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 Island of Atlantis

Here is a link to the island if Atlantis. We will discuss the three circular canals later. 

https://goo.gl/maps/L7GRRvyrax12

Critias/Plato:

“And beginning from the sea, they bored a canal of three hundred feet in width and one hundred feet in depth and fifty stadia in length, which they carried through to the outermost zone, making a passage from the sea up to this, which became a harbor, and leaving an opening sufficient to enable the largest vessels to find ingress.”

“Now, the largest of the zones into which a passage was cut from the sea was three stadia in breadth, and the zone of land which came next of equal breadth; but the next two zones, the one of water, the other of land, were two stadia, and the one which surrounded the central island was a stadium only in width. The island in which the palace was situated had a diameter of five stadia (.5 miles across).”

“Also, gardens and places of exercise, some for men, and others for horses, on both of the two islands formed by the zones. In the centre of the larger of the two there was set apart a racecourse of a stadium in width, and in length allowed to extend all-round the island, for horses to race in.”


Regarding the island of Atlantis: You will recognize it as Harbour Island, which is triangular.  It is surrounded by straight canals, not circular canals.

 

In order to make the island of Atlantis, they had to cut through the peninsular, which Plato called a Wise. We will be discussing this Island a lot more. Questions?

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Well, Edgar Cayce did predict it would be found.  

Quote For some years A.R.E. members and the organization itself have conducted expeditions in search of ruins or any remains of the lost continent of Atlantis. According to Cayce, Atlantis—located from the Gulf of Mexico to Gibraltar—was destroyed in a final catastrophic event circa 10,000 B.C. The focus of A.R.E. efforts has been in the Bimini area, however, other related locations have also been investigated. Research on the so-called Bimini Road has been hampered as researchers are split on the origin of the structure: some believe it is a manmade road or foundation while others assert it is natural beach rock, which fractured in place. However, a seldom-discussed fact is that a portion of the Bimini Road was removed after a hurricane in 1926.  https://www.edgarcayce.org/the-readings/ancient-mysteries/atlantis/


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Before we explore the island of Atlantis any further, let’s take a look at the circular ditch that Plato mentioned earlier. The ditch will bring us back to the island.

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Before we explore the island of Atlantis any further, let’s take a look at the circular ditch that Plato mentioned earlier. The ditch will bring us back to the island.


The Circular Ditch of Atlantis


Plato:

“The depth, and width, and length of this ditch were incredible, and gave the impression that a work of such extent, in addition to so many others, could never have been artificial. Nevertheless, I must say what I was told.” It was excavated to the depth of a hundred, feet, and its breadth was a stadium everywhere; it was carried round the whole of the plain, and was ten thousand stadia in length. It received the streams which came down from the mountains, and winding round the plain and meeting at the city, was there let off into the sea.”

Link: https://goo.gl/maps/Y7acgU6nPPn175Jw7


The ditch is now the Indian River. Follow it around to the city.



Edited by Domino - 12 Aug 2019 at 03:54
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Quote One has to first objectively look to see if there is any match with history first matching all the details of/in the source with as little bending/omitting as possible.
Also, "once sunk always sunk" is not always true. The account only says it was overwhelmed by water at that time, it doesn't say what happened since after then until now.
Also, English translations are often notoriously misleading/poor/inaccurate.
Well, that might be strictly true, but one is left with a complete absence of archaeology relating to a supposed 'Atlantis' in the risen geography. I am always perplexed at how easily many people accept Atlantis as some kind of fact without the slightest genuine evidence whatsoever. It is partly human psychology of course. The idea of a former golden age is something we often wish for - the Roman Empire was regarded in that light after it had gone - and the idea of powerful civilisations in the past seem to be all the more potent the more ancient and obscure they are. However, Atlantis stems from one literary work and does not form part of any consistent legend with the rest of the world. Whilst flood legends occur in many cultures, these are more often evolved from local events as coast lines rise and fall (there's a temple in Greece on top of a cliff that was for a while under water. Not because of floods or sea levels, but because the coast is part of the encroachment of the African Plate toward the European, resulting in land forms that 'wobble' up and down under pressure. Also there is a cliff in Scotland with sea pebbles on top. Britain is slowly tipping over as the Atlantic widens, as well as still rising from the release of ice weight during the last major glaciation)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Domino Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13 Aug 2019 at 05:02
Originally posted by caldrail caldrail wrote:

Well, that might be strictly true, but one is left with a complete absence of archaeology relating to a supposed 'Atlantis' in the risen geography. I am always perplexed at how easily many people accept Atlantis as some kind of fact without the slightest genuine evidence whatsoever. 


I have posted information showing that Plato described the Florida Plain as the plain of Atlantis. I sent a link that connects to the great ditch that Plato wrote about. The ditch takes you around the plain to  the island of Atlantis which Plato described in detail. The reason no one has studied the archeology is because no one knows it is there. 


If I send you links to five archeological sites, would you take a brief look at them? This is five of hundreds or perhaps thousands of archeological site on the Florida Plain. Americans are building their homes on beautifully carved landscapes that the people left behind.


https://goo.gl/maps/UdSsvZtSdZG3QYF76

https://goo.gl/maps/yvD96TZioqBvS2Yu9

https://goo.gl/maps/Rvtg9GxHoBqrSHJX7

https://goo.gl/maps/KfNbHwxfnUN3TapS8

https://goo.gl/maps/YFvB7aoUQGBEF9pt5


All of the canals were 100 feet deep during the time of Atlantis. I think Plato should get credit for his work.

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Ye-e-e-e-e-esss... Well, I think it's important to remember context and not jump to absurd conclusions. Von Daniken and his imitators for instance often do this, making ad hoc modern interpretations of ancient remains to suit their own sensibilities when the context of these remains is already known and agreed.
The classic is the 'rocket bike man' in Maya imagery. It's actually a depiction of Mankind climbing the Tree of Life (itself an extraordinary glimpse into Maya education and mindset) and does not represent a rather unsafe form of transport however much those writers seek evidence of ancient technology.
 
You claim Plato was describing the Florida Plain. No, he was describing an Atlantean plain, itself extrapolated from the geography of Santorini and expanded to create a minor continent 'larger than Libya'. If you want to believe that was Florida, well, so be it, but the geography of that area doesn't seem all that consistent with Plato's work. Nor was it ever intended to be. Pl;ato did not write about the American continent, but a large island somewhere beyond the Pillars of Hercules. He was thinking in terms of Greek travel distances.
 
I have to admit however that exploits of ancient mariners are underestimated. A Chinese envoy was sent to find the Roman Empire and ask them for military assistance against marauding tribesmen. He reached the Persian Gulf and asked sailors whether a ship could take him to Rome. yes, the sailors answered, but one would have to go around Africa and that's at least three months travel with favourable winds, and one would be advised to take rations for three years. Quite a statement from an era who weren't supposed to know much about the world outside the Mediterranean.
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There is a problem with clinging to scientific absolutism. The Travel.com lists 15 cities around the world currently submerged with ten more soon to be underwater. The evidence of advanced societies is right in our scuba-faces. 
 

Domino, were you suggesting that the continents were closer?


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Vanuatu,

The big mistake in Plato’s story is an assumptions that Atlantis sank into the ocean. I’m suggesting that the world has not changed very much in the last 11,000 to 12,000 years. That is why we can see that North America is the same as Plato described for the continent of Atlantis. Also, according to Plato, the sea level during the time of Atlantis was 100 feet below what it is today. He tells us this every time he mentioned the depth of the canals. They were 100 feet deep. This means that if you zoom in and search shorelines of Florida, you will see subdivisions in the process of being submerged as well as some already submerged. Most of the subdivisions have new homes built on them. Some of the Florida shoreline is underwater because of the rising sea level.


Take a look at the following underwater subdivisions in Florida. See all the old building foundations using the links below. People were  actually living on those lots during the time of Atlantis. 


https://goo.gl/maps/ranfS4AR9HNqDqQd6

https://goo.gl/maps/TYagMLYTUVoEooNQ6

https://goo.gl/maps/UpVZLXSQgXDC3hxA8


All of those subdivisions are manmade landscape.

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