Arizona's immigration law

Well you did ask for the original purpose in documenting aliens.

drgonzaga wrote: The Royal Navy hasn't "impressed" anyone for quite a long time...there are a lot of Limeys fondly looking upon the good old days of Maggie Thatcher...   OK... Off topic but then Arizona will crop back up shortly when we discuss "ethnic" studies!   http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/13/arizona-law-curbs-ethnic-studies-classes/   "One of the functions of the public schools is to take kids of different backgrounds and teach them to treat each other as individuals. And this ethnic studies program does the opposite. It divides kids up by race." Tom Horne, Superintendent of Arizona Public Schools

That is so bogus.

Ethnic studies is just like classics, but specialized on a specific ethnic group. You, of all people, Dr. G, should know this!

Besides, it is not believable that the same law that divides Arizonians into those who have to carry proof of citizenship and those who don't claiming that they want to end the Mexican American Studies program because suddenly they are so worried about integrating everyone.


This is white supremacist agenda becoming mainstreamed in the GOP.

  Mean Doctor G

Add my name to the 'mean' list. Ethnic studies have no place at the High School level. First, there are more important life skills (v.g. English composition, Algebra, etc) that need the time, and secondly, the only ethnicity that High School students need to associate themselves is the 'US of A' ethnicity. They need to be educated to succeed within the national economy,

The real problem with ethnic studies is: Who is to research and write all the class materials? Who is to ensure that the materials presented are fair and balanced? Who will the fact checkers be? Who will decide the political questions? (i.e., which of competing, often antagonistic views will prevail?)  In essence, ethnic studies are a mine field for any High School. Teenagers don't need to be programmed to feel that they are ethnically superior to others, or that they will be victims merely because of their ethnicity. That 'education' belongs back in the lands and historical period that their ancestors came from. Ergo, ethnic studies are better left to Institutions of Higher Learning, where any time you feel is wasted is your own fault, and not the School Boards.

ps: In case you think this is a non-White problem, read a little of Seumas MacManus' History of the Irish Race.  The Irish were a noble race of Poets, Warriors, and scholars, and everything evil that ever happened to them was the fault of those damned English.

ROTFLMAO! Perhaps we should also include Italian-American Studies or How the Mafia founded Las Vegas! One should have pride in whom one is and not some sub-group abstraction. As matters stand, everyone today is required to have some form of "valid" identification issued by a state organ in order to engage in the basic activities of daily life! Have you tried opening a bank account of late? So, in essence, this is a phony issue in service of competing and antithetical interests. You may find this manifestation of false parochialisms of interest but they do little to shape a true American identity. It simply repeats the nonsense of Pilgrim Pageants for the denizens of LalaLand...oh well perhaps Mel Gibson can find an idea for a film here

Hey, Hugo...por mi raza hablara mi espiritu!  To be even more mean is it not time by now for the gueros to take their revenge on all of those milperos for all of the havoc they've caused? As for the original inhabitants of the old frontiers of New Spain they integrated into the principal currents of American daily life long ago...even the last wave who "crossed over" during the chaos of the years 1910-1926. Now if you want to address the problems of migrant labor (all under official auspices) in later years that is another subject entirely but then we would have to undertake the corollary raised by poderoso caballero es Don Dinero...Leo Carillo might have cherished his role of Grand Marshall of the Rose Parade for years all gussied up in his "Sancho" finery, but such could not hide the fact that he was one of the largest landholders of Southern California real estate in his day! The simple fact here is rather obvious: these "ethnic studies" have essentially become exercises in stereotyping--shades of lace-curtain Irish! Of course, we could have one of those superficial discussions deploring the imagery of the Frito Bandido or even Speedy Gonzalez, but then we lose all points of sense and fall into the lachrimosity of sensibilities.

Edited by drgonzaga - 22 May 2010 at 06:03

Dr. G. HAS Mex cred!!!

I have got to learn not to let the mordant get the better of me; nevertheless, you devised the silent implication behind the quotes. Pancho as buffoon is reedemable socially only if you accept the Cervantesque. Otherwise, the character is truly offensive much as was "Sargeant Garcia" in the Disney reinvention of Zorro. However, do not mistake the comment as "evidence" that the old Doc is really among the radicals that have subverted Ethnic Studies and its teaching. Instead, look upon it as reflections upon a book written nearly 30 years ago, Philip Wayne Powell's Tree of Hate (1971) and still in print today. To properly take issue with demeaning caricature does not mean one must resort to the identical tool as response. Ignorant bigots will always be with us, it the "intellectual" ones that are dangerous.

Regimund, in the 1930s, California tried to keep the 'Oakie' refugees from the mid-western dustbowl from entering California. The supreme court ruled that Americans, and that would include those who have legally immigrated to the U.S., have a constitutional right to travel from one state to another. I know of no state that is anti-immigration. Arizona is anti-illegal immigration. And even without this law, Arizona law enforcement agencies were bound by oath to uphold the constitution and laws of the United States, as well as Arizona.


Edited by lirelou - 26 May 2010 at 15:09

The article makes it rather plain those illegals only go to Mexico because it's the simplest route to the US, Mexico itself isn't so much a magnet for illegals as an obstacle.

lirelou wrote: Regimund, in the 1930s, California tried to keep the 'Oakie' refugees from the mid-western dustbowl from entering California. The supreme court ruled that Americans, and that would include those who have legally immigrated to the U.S., have a constitutional right to travel from one state to another. I know of no state that is anti-immigration. Arizona is anti-illegal immigration. And even without this law, Arizona law enforcement agencies were bound by oath to uphold the constitution and laws of the United States, as well as Arizona.

The problem isn't necessarily the law itself it's the implementation of the said law.  For instance, will the police only target people of a certain look or persuasion, will they only target people who speak Spanish or look like they speak Spanish, or will they target all illegals.  Many illegal aliens come in to the country legally and overstay their visas.  Many illegals are also not Hispanic, if the non-Hispanic illegals are not the targets of this law (or prosecuted under the law) then the law is unconstitutional since it targets one group over another (that's racial profiling).  If they ask for "the papers" of every person with an accent that's going to take up a lot of money and man hours and divert attention away from other, possibly more major, crimes.

Let us give a little History lesson here:

Edited by drgonzaga - 28 May 2010 at 02:00

lirelou wrote: .... Yes, but the majority of illegals in this country are Hispanics. But, that notwithstanding, could you please quote me the part of the Arizona law that states this law is applicable to Hispanics only. I've actually read it, and it says nothing about Hispanics or Mexicans or suspected Mexicans. It is targeted to illegal immigrants. And accepting for the moment your Hispanic illegals versus non-Hispanic illegals argument, would you please quote me the section of the U.S. constitution, or a Supreme Court case, stating that targeting one group of illegals over another group of illegals is unconstitutional.

  What a curious term is "illegal"... I bet native americans won't agree on whom is illegal or not in turtle island.

By the way, Arizona means dry region in illegal tongue. Anyways.


Edited by pinguin - 31 Mar 2011 at 12:04

Interesting!

Here we have something similar. There are some Ecuatorian indigenous peoples, called the Otavalos, that go all over the continent saling theirs textiles, rings and other goods. Once, the Chilean government had the bad idea of deporting them ... And the complain from the Ecuatorian government was formal and very tough


Edited by pinguin - 31 Mar 2011 at 12:35

The so called illegal alien problem is a load of garbage. If employers like myself had the laws already on the books enforced, it would all disappear. We NEED the Mexican workforce unless you want double or triple prices for beef, veggies, and many other services. I employ illegals because I have no alternative. If they want a secure border then lets get out of Europe and quit protecting theirs.