Arizona's immigration law

The Royal Navy hasn't "impressed" anyone for quite a long time...there are a lot of Limeys fondly looking upon the good old days of Maggie Thatcher...

Edited by drgonzaga - 16 May 2010 at 02:26

lirelou wrote: GCLE, the Royal Navy certainly impressed me. They served real beer with their meals. However I wzs no so impressed that I allowed them to subject me to empressment, but then Jefferson is supposed to have taken care of that. (Good thing Vicky wasn't yet Empress of India, or it really could have got confusing.)

Seko, Years of living and working in Latin America, in every country but Chile, after getting degrees in LATAM History and Spanish Civil Law from Spanish speaking universities, has to count for something. It is a fascinating region with many cultural and racial variations, but it is also a cesspool for many of those at the bottom of the socio-economic scale. Unfortunately, despite all their positive characteristics, it is precisely that group which finds it hardest to get in. I think the Doc has posted enough to show that he doesn't particularly like our present immigration laws, and neither do I, but they are the law of the land for now, and I'm not putting any money on Obama to change them. 

As for profiling, it makes sense to me. But then, I got stopped and held by the Spanish Guardia Civil for a few hours questioning one day merely because my name is Irish. I had the bad luck of flying into San Sebastian the same day a Libyan flagged ship was found to be carrying arms for the IRA in the harbor. They Guardia were just doing their job, under very difficult conditions, and I suspect that those guarding our present border with Mexico are under similar stress.

Doc, how about joining Hugo, I and the gang in Risk instead? Ask Hugo for more details. 

drgonzaga wrote: Well, perhaps I too will be hated by the Latinos, adult or otherwise, since I find the term itself insulting! We've had this go-round before over this bit of Frenchified puffery from the 19th century and just its usage should be indicative of a deep desire to obscure the exact nature of the problem and its sources. As for those illiterati calling themselves Republicans, please they are just old line "democrats" who've had an epiphany!

Dr. G., The old Democrats who became Republicans didn't have an epiphany: they had a stroke.

GCLE, the Royal Navy certainly impressed me. They served real beer with their meals. However I wzs no so impressed that I allowed them to subject me to empressment, but then Jefferson is supposed to have taken care of that. (Good thing Vicky wasn't yet Empress of India, or it really could have got confusing.)

Even though profiling is Police Academy material, hence elementary it surely is not intended to mistakenly affect legal Mexican-American citizens now is it?  This gueros wants to know the difference between Nortenos and Surenos sitting on a bench.  

drgonzaga wrote: Now, remind me again about the original purpose for documenting "aliens"....

Well, perhaps I too will be hated by the Latinos, adult or otherwise, since I find the term itself insulting! We've had this go-round before over this bit of Frenchified puffery from the 19th century and just its usage should be indicative of a deep desire to obscure the exact nature of the problem and its sources. As for those illiterati calling themselves Republicans, please they are just old line "democrats" who've had an epiphany!

drgonzaga wrote: Not so fast, dear Hugo, the standard you chose as your illustration may be "Bowdlerized" but the imagery is not the official seal of the state since the original pressing of 1776 was never changed. How others chose to portray Virtus was, naturally, arbitrary; however, your little standard is actually a flagrant violation of the 1849 Code of Virginia [the governing legislation throughout the Civil War], which details to a Teat the official design.   Anyway, we are straying far from point with regard to what makes Attorney General Cuccinelli tick and it most certainly is not History.

Dr. G, you are right, the oldest seal is the one that you showed up, but this violation of the seal happened during the Civil War, and that is the one image that which Cuccinelli decide to use.

So you can tell our crazy Attorney General that he is in violation of the law. He may even sue himself for it. He is nuts, so it may happen .

I think that the Arizona law is a big mistake for the GOP. Hey, they already got most adult Latinos hating them, so now they can go with the younger ones who missed the 2005 hate-fest.

What I would actually want to see is where is the positive proposals of the GOP. The GOP today look like the Marxists did in Mexico in 1992: full of negative criticism and advocating a failed platform.

And if Leninist and Mao Marxists were/are fools for advancing a plan that history proved a failure, so are the right-wingers who keep advocating radical neoliberalism.

Both fringes can't face reality.

hugoestr wrote: Pike, This is just pandering to the tea baggers. Most of those people in Arizona understand that they can't survive without the market that illegal immigration creates for the state and without its labor. This law is an attempt to rile up the crazy tea party members so that they will vote in November since all of the hate on the health care bill went away as soon as they saw that their medicare now covers the prescription donut hole.

drgonzaga wrote: Right wing, left wing and common sense be damned hardly makes for healthy politics. If there is a malaise in American politics it is the emphasis the Media places on the fringes at the expense of the rational voters who long ago left both parties and decide issues in terms of their own immediacy. Now the danger to any electoral system would be the growing realization by an informed majority of powerlessness at crucial junctures, specially if the situation involves economic well-being. However, I doubt that AG Cuccinelli's fervor over seals had anything to do with the Confederacy given the fact that the seal designed by George Wythe in 1776 remained the official seal of the state during the Civil War and what had Cuccinelli in a tizzy was the goddess Virtus' left teat! Those damned Romans had to spice up their Amazons.   [IMG=http://farm1.static.flickr.com/170/369532752_39c7215dd3.jpg]http://images.sodahead.com/blogs/000312807/virginia-state-seal-12902935826_xlarge.jpeg[/IMG]   In fact, the only thing that happened in 1861 was a change in the state flag, where the above seal replaced the star that had been on the state standard. Of course, any rational American would look upon the antics of this AG as factual proof of the deletorious effects of lax immigration policies on the body politics! FGS I doubt that surname is enshrined among the FFVs of the Eastern Shore

Oh, Dear Doctor G. your research missed this time. Here is the confederate seal. Look at how modestly the Goddess looks. The older seal, with the boobage in it, is older than the confederate one, true, but then you couldn't make your veil I love the confederacy statements with that one, would you?



Edited by hugoestr - 10 May 2010 at 10:14

I was quoting the federal law, which has been around since the '80s or so, hasn't it?

Making it a crime is one thing. Actually jailing people for it is another.

Leonidas sounds an appropriate note.

The 'illegal immigrant problem' will not go away as long as it provides a continuation of America's historic dependency on cheap imported labour. An effective Arizona law would have jailed anyone responsible for giving work to an illegal immigrant.